Top 10 head to head under 190lb all time?

Yes, I am well and truly sold on Haye as a puncher and finisher.

For the time being though, I think it would be smart to keep your cards close to your chest in terms of his final standing.

 

Then we have different interpretations of the phrase "head to head"

I'm saying if fitz was to be matched against david haye in a fight, i'd have no hesitation picking haye to win.

Sure he achieved less but based on the skills on display i'd put my money on haye.

 

One thing that could be said in Fitzsimmons defence (and Jeffries to some extent), is the fact that the period when Fitzsimmons held the title, was probably the lowest points in the coloured heavyweight divisions history.

 

Really ? Pretty serious opinion of David. How would he do against Louis, Frazier or a 1991 Holyfield ?

 

I agree those talents like rocky, louis, frazier should all beat haye.

But guys like fitz, corbett, willard, carnera, sharkey and some of the light heavyweight's i'd definitely favour haye to defeat.

 

Jack Johnson called Fitz the best of the heavyweights.

 

If Billy Conn makes your list, I think Tommy Loughran should.
Wins over nearly 50 heavyweights including victories over .
Godoy
Charles
Griffiths
Baer
Sharkey
Uzcudun
Levinsky
Renault
Hamas
Schaaf
Stack up pretty well against most other sub 190 pounders.
His record certainly eclipses Conn's

 

Not quite the same scale of schooling but fair enough.

No ****. But at HW it was all about finding a way to land that ungodly punch. Once he was above MW & LHW his range was less of an asset, and he was far more of a minimalist in terms of his approach. Like I said, Fitzie was a white, poor man's Archie Moore.