Top 10 Heavyweights of all time based on wins against ranked opposition ?

I’m surprised Archie Moore and Ezzard Charles don’t have more wins over ranked opponents.

 

I will answer your questions below

Furys 15 are Chisorax3, Wilderx3, Usykx2, Wladimir Klitschko, Seferi, Pianeta, Schwarz, Wallin, Wilder, Ngannou.

Bob Bakers 15 are Rex Laynex3, Valdesx2, Tommy Jacksonx2,Bivins, Cesar Brion, Moore, Baksi, Holman, Roy Harris, Machen and Chuvalo

Fraziers 22 are Alix3, Foremanx2,Bonavenax2, Ellisx2, Quarryx2, Machen, Doug Jones, Jefferson Davis, Chuvalo, Mathis, Ramos, Zyglewicz, Bugner, Foster, Terry Daniels, Ron Stander

Believe it or not Sam Langfords number could be way higher. I am counting Jim Barry because I recognize the Schreck/Kaufman lineage as a title. But I'm not counting McVea who he fought 15 times. Nor Thompson nor Tate. Langford could be looking at 100. 78 is low balling it.



Whether I count a fight is more arbitrary. I'm more strict with the modern era because there are more belts for example I don't value modern eliminators at all while I value the old ones quite highly. In the 1910s I value eliminators the most because there were so few title fights.

I don't recognize Wilders title defenses before Ortiz as being title contenders. I consider the WBC from 2005-2018 to not be a major belt at HW the same way some don't consider early WBO to be one etc. So I have Wilder at 11. Heres a list of other major HW belts I don't recognize

.The WBA for a few years in the late 70s and early 80s
.the IBF and WBA in the early 00s when they stipped Lennox
.WBO prior to the Byrd v Vitali fight.
.I start AJs lineage when he beats Wlad and don't count his first 3 IBF fights.
.Some interim titles mostly WBO.
.The WBA "regular title".

 

WHAT? So, in other words, instead of just making the list you said you made ... which may have been actual beneficial to read ...

You went WAY out of your way to add guys who weren't "title challengers" to the lists of fighters you like ...

And you went WAY out of your way to remove "actual title challengers" from other fighters' lists who you don't like?

Regarding Wilder ... you simply refuse count seven actual WBC title fights, or opponents who challenged or won WBA or WBO heavyweight titles ... when you don't feel like it?

But, regarding Frazier, you count Buster Mathis and Joe Frazier fighting for the inaugural WBC heavyweight championship of FIVE U.S. STATES (and nowhere else)? And who did the Jefferson Davis who Joe Frazier fought challenge for the heavyweight title again?

Regarding Bob Baker, what heavyweight titles did Rex Layne, Nino Valdes, Johnny Holman, Jimmy Bivins, Joe Baksi and Cesar Brion fight for?

And regarding Langford, you just decided to give him an extra 60 fights against title challenges? Why don't you just make all his fights against title challengers? That makes as much sense.

Forget I even asked. What a waste of time.

 

Yes.

Yes.

Davis fought Folley in a 12 round eliminator in 1966.

Rex Layne fought Ezzard Charles in a 12 round eliminator.
Valdes fought Archie Moore for the NSAC HW title.
Holman fought Baker in a 12 round eliminator when the belt was vacant following Marcianos retirement.
Bivins was duration HW champ for almost 2 years and later fought Joe Louis for the BBBC belt.
Joe Baksi won a duration belt following Bivins going overseas. The duration title was done away with seemingly right afterwards.
Cesar Brion fought Joe Louis for the BBBC belt.

Its arbitrary but theres really no way you slice it where Langford doesn't have the most. Hes Secretariat in the 1973 Belmont here.

 

Again, instead of just making the list you said you made ... which may have been actually beneficial to read ...

You went WAY out of your way to add guys who weren't "title challengers" to the lists of fighters you like ...

And you went WAY out of your way to remove "actual title challengers" from other fighters' lists who you don't like?

Why can't anyone just make an honest list on this board?

 

Langford fought Jack Johnson (who fought for and won the heavyweight title) once. Langford fought title challenger Jim Johnson 12 times. And Langford fought title challenger Jim Flynn three times.

That equals 16.

If you "slice it" according to the men he faced who challenged for the heavyweight title (he fought 3 of them 16 times total).

That's not 78 or 100+.

What's so difficult about making a list like that?

 

I see it as the WBC going out of their way to give undeserving fighters title shots for a whole decade.

I gave a worthy justification for all of it. And I stand by it.

 

Hilarious.

 

Were do people rank Sam Langford on all time heavyweight lists?

 

Apparently, everyone Langford fought challenged for the heavyweight title. So pretty high.

Now I need to find the Zora Folley-Jefferson Davis fight ... because, apparently, it was a title fight, too.

 

Its more justified to count eliminators in the 1910s in any other decade because there were so few actual title fights. But even if we just count title fights you missed Jeanette, Iron Hague, Ketchel, Jack O Brien, Bill Lang, Tony Ross, Carpentier and George Godfrey. He fought Jim Flynn way more than 3 times. I'm also counting title claimants in the previous decade which brings Jim Barry into the list.

Yeah i consider Harry Wills and Fred Fulton title contenders. How dare I.

If you include all the "colored" title champions Langford either gets to 100 or falls just short. Simply adding McVea gets him to 92.

 

Zora Folley-Jefferson Davis 1 & 2 weren't in the 1910s. And I see nothing that either was an eliminator or why you feel it should carry more weight than an actual title fight in the 2010s.

 

You said you made a list of heavyweights who fought men who challenged for the title, and stated how many they fought.

That list sounded interesting. When asked for specifics about it, you immediately said, for some fighters, you counted people who didn't fight for the title. And for others, you discounted actual title fights and challengers.

So, you didn't make a list of heavyweight fighters and a count how many title challengers they faced.

I'd like to see a list of heavyweights and how many actual title challengers they fought.

I don't know what convoluted list you're making, but YOUR LIST isn't what you said it was.

 

He's #17 on mine.