Top 10 heavyweights that never won lineal title

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  1. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  2. Webbiano

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    A rough sketch although I’d say the top 5 are pretty set in stone. There’s plenty that could be rated Between 6-10 but this is what I would put without giving it that much thought.

    1.Harry Wills
    2.Sam Langford
    3.Peter Jackson
    4.Vitali Klitschko
    5.Ken Norton
    6.Tim Witherspoon
    7.Sam McVea
    8.Aleksander Povetkin
    9.Joe Jeanette
    10.Elmer Ray
     
  3. George Crowcroft

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    #10. Jerry Quarry
    #9. Jimmy Young
    #8. Eddie Machen
    #7. Alexander Povetkin
    #6. Vitali Klitschko
    #5. Sam Langford
    #4. Tim Witherspoon
    #3. Ken Norton
    #2. Chris Byrd
    #1. Harry Wills

    :deal:

    Peter Jackson, Anthony Joshua and a few others could definitely make it on there, especially PJ, I just don't know where.
     
  4. Gudetama

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    1. V Klitschko
    2. Wills
    3. Norton
    4. Witherspoon
    5. Langford
    6. Young
    7. Lyle
    8. Ibeabuchi
    9. Byrd
    10. Tua
     
  5. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Made a whole giant post about this lol

    1 Harry Wills
    2 Archie Moore
    3 Sam Langford
    4 ToMy Loughran
    5 Jimmy Ellis
    6 Alexander Povetkin
    7 Ernie Terrell
    8 Harold Johnson
    9 Jimmy Bivins
    10 Chris Byrd

    Vitali it could be argued is lineal so left him off
     
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  6. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Other names worth mentioning:

    Mike Weaver, Archie Moore, Harry Greb, Tommy Loughran.
     
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  7. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good calls on Moore and Bivins!
     
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  8. NoNeck

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    Byrd ain't number 2, chief.
     
  9. NoNeck

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    No Norton? No Wilder? Joshua?
     
  10. Gazelle Punch

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    Wilder wouldn’t crack my top 20. And AJ is arguably lineal. That and they’re going strong (Povetkin is older and near the end and also much better record then wilder).
    I don’t feel Norton deserves top ten...have him in the 11-15 range with Quarry Bonavena Machen Zora
     
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    01 - Harry Wills
    02 - Sam Langford
    03 - Ken Norton
    04 - Peter Jackson
    05 - Vitali Klitschko
    06 - Joe Jeanette
    07 - Sam McVey
    08 - Elmer Ray
    09 - Jimmy Young
    10 - Tim Witherspoon
    11 - Jimmy Ellis
    12 - Ernie Terrell
    13 - Archie Moore
    14 - Tom Sharkey
    15 - Jimmy Bivins
    16 - Harold Johnson
    17 - Zora Folley
    18 - Jerry Quarry
    19 - Eddie Machen
    20 - Bob Pastor
    21 - Chris Byrd
    22 - Ron Lyle
    23 - Harry Greb
    24 - Tommy Loughran
    25 - Ernie Schaaf
    26 - Earnie Shavers
    27 - Pinklon Thomas
    28 - Marvin Hart
    29 - Kid Norfolk
    30 - Billy Miske

    I don't generally like to see that sort of over-reportage but i've decided i'm never answering this question again so i've put thirty up. I ain't included anyone active.
     
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  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    AJ isn't lineal. Nobody claims that.

    Wilder won ten title fights, and is 3-1-1 against guys in the top 5. The loss and draw are to an ATG heavyweight, at least h2h.

    Povetkin never won a title, and is 2-2 against top five heavyweights. He also was caught dirty on multiple occasions.

    Norton beat Ali and ran him close twice. Idk what most of these guys did to match that.
     
  13. William Walker

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    exhaustive
     
  14. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Most of these other guys not only beat champs before or after they won the title but beat a long list of other high ranked contenders. Loughran beat like 3 lineal champs. Bivins cleaned his division along with wins over all time p4p greats. Wilder literally had 1 slightly ok win over an ancient Ortiz. Norton has one excellent win and one ok win in the about to retire quarry win. He arguably lost to Young. And if you look at his resume after that it’s rather thin. Povetkin has a lot more names on his ledger then Wilder. A lot more. A case can be made for a lot of people I guess just my opinion on it
     
  15. McGrain

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    Being honest, i'm pretty sure i could have got to fifty without a problem but that's a lot of typing.
     
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