top 10 heavyweights

TheJuggernaut · Nov 12, 2008

knn said:

Frazier was too small. Frazier would approx. have as much chances as he had against Foreman, and Foreman nowadays would be medium-sized low-weight heavyweight nowadays.

Ali was not small. But Ali was a natural cruiser thus would basically be too weak to harm anyone nowadays. Moreover he had no defense whatsoever.

I don't think they would have much chance against today's top guys.

Alos THEIR RECORDS are actually overblown because their record themselves contain a lot of wins against cruisers and natural cruisers.

So, how many somewhat GOOD + NATURAL HEAVIES did Ali KO:

Once you erase bum-opponents (= those who lose 25% or more of their fights) and then erase opponents below-200 and then erase natural cruisers (= those who started 180+) the following stats remain:

Wladimir Klitschko: 17 KOs

Mike Tyson: 14

Foreman: 12

Lennox: 11

Vitali Klitschko: 10

Muhammad Ali: 8

Sam Langford: 8 (yes, that's right 300+ fights and only 8 noteworthy KOs. Against the same 5 opponents BTW).

Holyfield: 7

Joe Louis: 4

Archie Moore: 3 (yes, 200+ fights and only 3 noteworthy KOs. Moore fought guys who started at 110+ lbs)

Joe Frazier: 2 (Chuvalo and Mathis)

Rocky Marciano: 0 (yes, all of his opponents were either bums or below-200 opponents or opponents who were natural cruisers. He was fighting opponents starting at 140+ lbs. And some of you compare Marciano to modern heavies)

LaMar Clark: 0 (He, too, fought only bums and natural cruisers).

This stat gets even more clear when you delete all non-world-title fights:

So, how many KO wins against non-bum natural heavies in world-title fights did they score?

Lennox: 9 KOs

Wladimir Klitschko: 8

Mike Tyson: 7

Ali: 5

Holyfield: 2

Foreman: 2

Frazier: 1

I hope that puts things into perspective a bit.
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Very nicely done!

McGrain · Nov 12, 2008

TheJuggernaut said:

Very nicely done!
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What?! Exculding EVERY fighter who EVER contested a fight under 200lbs?

Deriding Ali as a "natural cruiser"??? He had 15 fights JUST UNDER the modern HW limit upon turning pro and spent the next twenty years fighting above that limit, and you're telling him "nicely done"??? I think maybe you need to re-read some of that total drivel.

johnny gunn · Nov 12, 2008

knn said:

Frazier was too small. Frazier would approx. have as much chances as he had against Foreman, and Foreman nowadays would be medium-sized low-weight heavyweight nowadays.

Ali was not small. But Ali was a natural cruiser thus would basically be too weak to harm anyone nowadays. Moreover he had no defense whatsoever.

I don't think they would have much chance against today's top guys.

Alos THEIR RECORDS are actually overblown because their record themselves contain a lot of wins against cruisers and natural cruisers.

So, how many somewhat GOOD + NATURAL HEAVIES did Ali KO:

Once you erase bum-opponents (= those who lose 25% or more of their fights) and then erase opponents below-200 and then erase natural cruisers (= those who started 180+) the following stats remain:

Wladimir Klitschko: 17 KOs

Mike Tyson: 14

Foreman: 12

Lennox: 11

Vitali Klitschko: 10

Muhammad Ali: 8

Sam Langford: 8 (yes, that's right 300+ fights and only 8 noteworthy KOs. Against the same 5 opponents BTW).

Holyfield: 7

Joe Louis: 4

Archie Moore: 3 (yes, 200+ fights and only 3 noteworthy KOs. Moore fought guys who started at 110+ lbs)

Joe Frazier: 2 (Chuvalo and Mathis)

Rocky Marciano: 0 (yes, all of his opponents were either bums or below-200 opponents or opponents who were natural cruisers. He was fighting opponents starting at 140+ lbs. And some of you compare Marciano to modern heavies)

LaMar Clark: 0 (He, too, fought only bums and natural cruisers).

This stat gets even more clear when you delete all non-world-title fights:

So, how many KO wins against non-bum natural heavies in world-title fights did they score?

Lennox: 9 KOs

Wladimir Klitschko: 8

Mike Tyson: 7

Ali: 5

Holyfield: 2

Foreman: 2

Frazier: 1

I hope that puts things into perspective a bit.
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thanks for ur evaluation:good

catasyou · Nov 12, 2008

They would beat most if not all of the HWs today.I'd give Vitali some chances but they are slim.

TheJuggernaut · Nov 12, 2008

McGrain said:

What?! Exculding EVERY fighter who EVER contested a fight under 200lbs?

Deriding Ali as a "natural cruiser"??? He had 15 fights JUST UNDER the modern HW limit upon turning pro and spent the next twenty years fighting above that limit, and you're telling him "nicely done"??? I think maybe you need to re-read some of that total drivel.
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What were you expecting, a full comprehensive evaluation of EVERY FIGHTER IN HISTORY? Just what are you mad about?

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