Top 10 HW since 1986

Wilder had title defences against the likes Brezeale,Stiverne, Molina, Arreola, Dauphapas and Washington - that's says it all. Ortiz only notable his entire career is Jennings which was over 5 years ago.

I know your Wilder's number 1 fan on this forum but surley you can see its clear Mercer has a stronger resume than Wilder and Morrison has a stronger resume than Ortiz.

 

And if Deontay Wilder was Ray Mercer, he'd have lost to Stivene. Quit against Arreola when he realized his hand was broken and bicep was ripped. Tried to bribe Molina, only to have Molina turn him down. And Wilder would have a draw (that should be a loss) to a guy with 40 losses on his record.

I don't care if it's Wilder or Joseph Parker or Joshua or Fury or anyone who has held a title recently.

10 successful defenses and a five-year reign is nothing to laugh at, especially when you're ranking guys like FREAKING Ray Mercer ahead of him.

Anyone can have one good night. Lots of guys have a good night. Mercer couldn't beat journeymen with losing records when title shots were on the line.

It's just dumb. Purposely dumb.

 

You try to post #'s all the time.... "10 defenses!!!" as if it's equal to any other HW with as many defenses. REAL fans know the opponents are the big thing to take in to consideration, not just numbers, which is likely the reason you stick tp plain numbers, not WHO DW beat in that stretch. Because it really is a **** list of defenses.

 

Where do you rank Marion Wilson, real fan?

Where do you rank a guy who tries to bribe a journeyman to take a dive, and when the journeyman says no, there's nothing he can do about it but lose?

Speak up, real fan?

 

Prime Foreman beats them all even a 40 Year old George would give them Grief... We tend to forget how long His career actually went for and you have a valid point probably should be included.!!!

 

He went 31-3 in his comeback and won the World Title. People say he didn't deserve the Shulz decision but he also didn't deserve to lose the Briggs decision (when George was just shy of 49), either.

Anyone who was around then knows how huge George Foreman was as a fighter. I can't believe people are rating freaking Ruslan Chagaev ahead of him. It's nonsense.

Think Foreman couldn't have beaten a 40-year-old Holyfield after Evander tore his rotator cuff in the first round (like Holyfield did against Byrd)?

Think the 29-year-old Evander (who Foreman fought) wouldn't have beaten the living hell out of Byrd?

This site is losing it, I think.

 

I started going down that list..

Lewis, Yeah, solid shout
Tyson, OK, in his prime, not going to argue.
Holyfield, Errrrrr
Wald, Hmmm
Bowe, You're starting to lose me.
Fury, very good fighter, but never defended a world title, two big wins, wins over old Wladimir and Wilder.


Audley... OK, I'm out, I've just lost brain cells because something exploded in my head.

 

Sight is OK....Even I probably would have neglected to put Big George in....sort of an easy mistake to make What he did to win a World Title off Moorer at 45 Years old who Moorer by the way had won the World Title off Holyfield was one of the Greatest feats in Boxing..... That is why Big George is in my Top 3 of the Greatest Heavyweights ever.!!!

 

Potentialwise Sanders is definitely up there.

I would go with something like:

Fury.
Wlad.
Joshua.
Lewis.
Vitali.
Povetkin.
Sanders.
Ruiz jr.

Then it gets really hard.

 

Sanders and Ruiz belong like Leon Spinks would belong if the period we were judging went back to 76.

Sanders and Ruiz were not among the best heavyweights of the last 34 years. They had a good night once upon a time.

People fall into traps when they rate one-hit wonders, simply because they rate a guy he beat.

The top heavyweights are those who were consistently among the top heavyweights in the world for extended periods of time. Not guys who have one big night here ... maybe another one there, but fall apart and can't duplicate it six months later.

Mike Tyson is a perfect example. He appears on nearly every list (except for yours). Yet most lists don't include anyone Tyson actually beat.

But it doesn't matter. Tyson was unquestionably one of the best heavyweights of the last 34 years. (How you have Andy Ruiz on a list and not Tyson is baffling.)

A guy who caught Lewis or Joshua cold one night, and didn't do much otherwise, shouldn't bump guys who were legitimately among the top heavyweights on the planet for YEARS.

 

It's a joke that the word 'defenses' comes into any conversation about Wilder, hang your ****ing head in shame, WBC, for running this 'con' so long!

 

Good list mate, is it in order or not?

 

Lose order.

 

Places get a bit tricky to fill towards the bottom of a top ten HW's list since 1986. There's not much to choose between many of them. It's all just opinions.

Holyfield wasn't quite one-handed in the Byrd fight. He was using both arms at times. He looked old, faded and past his best at around 40, I guess, against a slippery quick Chris Byrd. He was throwing plenty of overhand right hands, some uppercuts and body shots. Byrd had a troublesome style for most people.

After having watched the rounds 1-6 against Byrd, I haven't heard the commentators mention any injury with Evander. I must watch rounds 7-12 later. If he had a rotator cuff injury, it may have been his left shoulder. No real sign of discomfort in rounds 1-6 at all

Byrd beat Tua, McCline and Williamson as well. He beat some good opponents. He got a somewhat fortunate win against Vitali, agreed. Vitali didn't rematch him. He beat a faded Evander, certainly. Evander may have been carrying an injury against Byrd unknown to the viewers. Did he have an operation or procedure afterwards? Like I say, I will watch rounds 7-12.

Deontay Wilder received a fortunate draw against Tyson Fury in the first fight, imo and he was pounded to defeat in the rematch by a better version of Fury.
Wilder lost comprehensively to the best boxer he met. Deontay had good management and his title opposition as WBC champ was average at best. I suppose Ortiz and Stiverne are his best wins. Byrd's wins over his career are as good or better than Wilder's. He looks a better boxer. Whether Byrd is top 10 since 1986 is open to debate. He may be, maybe not.
Wilder's place is very debatable, imho. I don't believe Deontay deserves a place in the top 10 HW's since 86 as of now.

 

Follow up to my previous post.

I've now watched rounds 7-12 of the Byrd-Holyfield fight as well. Evander had some of his better rounds late on in the 10th and 11th and used both his arms to throw punches on quite a few occasions. He even turned southpaw for a part of one of the rounds. It looked like Byrd's style confused Evander. Holyfield used the right more in the fight.

I didn't hear the commentators mention any Holyfield shoulder injury. He may have had an injury, but they made no mention of it. Not sure it would have been a torn rotator cuff. The Wilipedia page entry of Holyfield makes no mention of an injury in the Byrd fight, but apparently Evander did blame a shoulder injury for the later Toney and Donald losses.

Byrd beat Evander clearly on the night. He was quicker, sharper and clearly outscored Holyfield who, at 40, had plenty of wear and tear anyway and looked somewhat faded that particular night.