top 10 hw's of the decade and how do they compare?

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  1. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Properly maybe this should be in the modern forum but I would get such nonsense in feedback. Lewis and the Klits dominated the period with good cameos from Rachman, Tua, Byrd, Toney, Chagaev and others.
    And more for this forum, how do they compare to other decades or to put it more bluntly, is it the WORST?
     
  2. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think the decade is too great but the brothers only dominate after Lewis leaves the picture.:scaredas:
     
  3. McGrain

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    Lennox Lewis
    Wladimir Klitschko
    Vitali Klitschko

    These three can fight pretty much anyone, ever. Though the second two would lose more than they would win in terms of the absolutle elite, they're a serious proposition for anyone, anytime.

    Chris Byrd
    Ruslan Chagaev

    Both have their problems, but both are most excellent fighters when operating.

    Lamon Brewster
    John Ruiz
    Sam Peter
    Hasim Rahman
    Oleg Maskaev

    Not elite, but all tricky customers capable of testing anyone on their very best day, as Ruiz and Rahman have prooven scooping wins over ATG fighters.

    It's not a great decade for HW fighters, but I think this not exhaustive or definiitve list shows, there's enough talent to test the very greatest of champions. Nobody would have had it easy 2000-2009, and it's perfectly valid to imagine Joe Louis dropping 3 losses to these guys. Taking size into account I would say there have been weaker eras.
     
  4. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    agreed with most of what McGrain has to say. Surprised no Toney and was Brewster that good?
    Then again I forgot Sanders...
     
  5. Lunny

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    A bit off opic here but I was just wondering how people think Ike Ibeabuchi would have fit in if he hadn't lost it and went to jail?
     
  6. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ike would be pretty near the top for sure. How near is impossible to say.
     
  7. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Pretty good synopsis. I agree.
     
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    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Vitali Klitschko
    Lennox Lewis
    Wladimir Klitschko
    Chris Byrd
    Sultan Ibragimov
    Ruslan Chagaev
    John Ruiz
    Alexander Povetkin
    Nikolay Valuev
    Jameel McCline


    ordered in this order.
    maybe there is a valid argument for swapping lewis with vitali.
    mccline had a very strong 2001 , and also beat shannon briggs in 2002 , and maybe got robbed against peter and byrd.
     
  9. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Solid list indeed. Toney and Rachman had some superior wins than this lot though. And Peters?
     
  10. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Good post and list, but i'd throw in Sultan Ibragimov instead of one of those. Povetkin might be better than all of the "second" raters, but hasn't proven that yet.
     
  11. mr. magoo

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    I don't know about Sultan. He had very few fights before retiring and his only two wins of note are a 35 year old Shanon Briggs and a 44 year old Evander Holyfield. Not sure if that's enough to eclipse anyone on the second and third tier lists. Like you say, Povetkin may be more talented than some of the mentioned fighters, but again his participation in the decade may not be enough to warrant making a top 10. Although I don't think much of him, Nikolay Valuev may very well be a candidate to replace someone on the lower end of the bottom list, but two people can spend days debating that one, and it simply isn't worth the time. Lennox Lewis is definetely the best out of anyone in terms of all time greatness, but I don't know if I'd hand him the #1 spot of the 2000 era. My reasoning is that his prescence during this period only stretched from 2000-2003, and his record 6-1, with a loss to Rahman. Of course, his solid wins over Klitschko, Tua, Grant and avenged loss to Rahman, would place him above most, but I think I'll award Wladimir as the poster boy for the decade.
     
  12. Blood Green

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    Brewster definitely deserves to be on for knocking out Wlad and Golata.

    Rahman too, 90% for beating Lennox and 10% for having a few half decent performances after that.

    I'd also like to see Eddie Chambers on because he's put some good wins together and is probably a better fighter than most on the list.

    Toney also accomplished a good amount although the ass kickings of Ruiz and Rachman the second time were technically no contests.

    Ibragimov, McCline, and Valuev out; Rahman, Brewster, and Chambers in.
     
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    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    there are indeed good arguments for them too.
    but toney's two biggest wins in the division were holyfield (shot) and guinn , then a draw with rahman and two close fights with peter which are considered losses for him at least on record , since 2007 he was weak , and till 2003 he was not at hw. got robbery decisions against batchelder and oquendo as was the case with his career before , although he did not always get the nod in close fights.
    peter was stopped by vitali , had respectable fight with wlad , got a robbery decision over mccline , those 2 close fights with toney , some will say robberies too. also lost to smallish chambers.
    mccline - toney - peter are all close contest .
    maybe chagaev should be lower in the list (if included in it at all) and valuev higher.
     
  15. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Good points. Chambers is a good candidate for at least a lower slot on the list, and if not then certainly in the top 12-15.. David Tua could also be in the top 15.