Top 10 Infighters?

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  1. JohnThomas1

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    Fortunately we don't allow our good friends to give up, we prop them up and encourage them which invariably leads to a successful outcome and a happy happy camp all around. No quitters in this little circle!!!!!!
     
  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Now that's a real friend, right there!
     
  3. George Crowcroft

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    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Do people think that Chan Hee Park's performance against Canto was an infighting performance? He steps in from all the way outside and tries to smuggle a 2 or 3 piece all the way across. But he declines to fight in clinches quite often. I sort of feel like if you decline to fight in clinches, you aren't an infighter? But he did most of his best work all the way in. Fascinating fight either way.
     
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  5. McGrain

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    How about Santos Laciar? Not a lot of slowing down. Bit too wide on the hooks? Dem uppercuts tho.

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  6. McGrain

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    Two very good ones here:
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  7. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    very nice list, some guys I like are Gene Fulmer , Dick Tiger, Fritzie Zivic , Eusebio Pedroza and,,,,
    what I wouldn't give to see some film clips of the Pittsburgh windmill Harry Greb to see if he
    belongs on this list.
     
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  8. Eddie Ezzard

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    Beautifully parried, Jel. A self-effacing "D'oh" should be clippered into the fringe of the avatar of old NoNeck, bless him.
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

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    Man, I've always actually thought if we got Greb footage, he'd look absolutely terrible. Not in the sense where you'd consider him a bad fighter, but I mean just an absolute awful, ugly style. The way he's described makes me think of an extremely erratic hybrid of Gene Fullmer and Vito Antuofermo, with extremely fast reflexes and movement, and a granite chin. Ultimately, it's possible he could be a fighter who was greater than the sum of his parts. His resume speaks for itself, after all.

    Either way, it's all just speculation, but without anything concrete, I'm just not including him. But I agree, I'd pay an awful lot for any of his major fights.
     
  10. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis "The David Haye of Loma's Gay" -Edgar Allan Poe Full Member

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    I concur, he even gives off that impression in his training footage. Aside from Shadow Boxing against 20 men simultaneously, he looked very awkward and hard to fight against his play sparring against O'Brien, he shared traits with your classic spoiler, more of the type to get inside to disturb your balance and nullify your offense than a Duran or Armstrong type infighter. Constantly on his toes so O'Brien couldn't set, but as a result he couldn't do so either, so he was mostly arm punching.

    His defense was genuinely good though, a lot of the hits he seemed to be hit with at first glance were actually blocked or dodged by milimeters. I don't doubt that his fast paced rhythm made things hard for his opponents, but I think Greb may have been more technical in that department than given credit for.
     
  11. Eddie Ezzard

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    How about we expand on this and have a hall of fame of exhibitions of infighting. JCC v Chapo is an obvious one, as is Toney v Barkley but for those with greater knowledge than me, please share.

    I know he was way past prime, I know he lost the fight but Joe Frazier in Manila looked incredibly adept, as did Duran v Hagler. Is infighting something that fighters evolve into once they lose that initial energy of youth? I'm thinking Holyfield here, too. And even Ali although his lack of body attack saw him rassle as much as infight.

    Out of interest, I just watched Bowe v Gonzalez from 95. Mills Lane wrestled those giants around like rag dolls. What would he have been like fighting men his own size 30-40 years prior?
     
  12. Eddie Ezzard

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    I can feel a deep dive coming on ...
     
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  13. Melankomas

    Melankomas Corbett beats your favourite fighter

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    I agree, Greb's (pretty sloppy imo) bizarre style apparent in the shadow boxing video was probably present in his actual fights. However, this was common knowledge at the time:

    “Greb doesn’t box. That’s why he can beat the boxers. They know what a boxer ought to do, and that’s just what Greb never does.”—Robert Edgren

    “Boxers are lost before Greb because he doesn’t respond to the usual boxing movements.”—Arkansas Democrat

    “How can you make a good showing against a fellow who does everything backwards?”—Jeff Smith

    “Greb is fast and bounds like a kangaroo all over the ring, hitting from awkward positions. One can never tell when he is going to let fly a solid punch or a light tap….No matter how good a boxer may be he will have a hard time figuring out Greb.”—Mike Gibbons

    People seem to have this idea that Greb was like Mayweather or something, when in reality he was pretty much the opposite. The best technical boxers from that era, who still hold up on film, all agree on that. Didn't stop him from whipping their asses tho
     
  14. Mike Cannon

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    Hi guys.
    Lots of very good infighters already mentioned, just like to fly the flag of that tenacious little fighter from Oz, Barry Michael he was a truly exceptional fighter at getting in real close then strafing the opponents ribs and flanks with short educated punches, not the longer more winged body punches that some would display, his were more calculated, he didn't look to finish the fight with the punch ala JCC but conversely would almost prolong the agony, coupled with unlimitless stamina, and a very good chin, he was a daunting task for any fighter even if they were in top condition.
    stay safe amigos.
     
  15. George Crowcroft

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    Some task that'd be :lol: