Top 10 lightweights from 1980 to presently

Rosario should be on the list.

 

Thanks SQ, it's not a definitive list, i just rustled it up as soon as the thread was opened up, i thought that Casamayor was still doing not too bad after Corrales sadly left us though, great how the bout turned out with Katsidis, only one of the Corrales-Casamayor bouts were at 135, i really can't remember how i scored it for the life of me unfortunately. I know i thought Casamayor won the one he didn't though, but that was at 130 i think anyway.

Like i said a spare of the moment list for sure.

 

Grigorian and Nazarov deserve a mention.

Grigorian is the biggest waste of a career in recent years imo.

 

Yeah i was thinking of Grigorian as soon as the thread started, but it's just the overall lack of good opposition which made me side for others instead of him. Always thought he was a very capable boxer, but pretty limited as well as it turned out.

 

Although all three fights were close. Casamayor had a very distinguished Lightweight reign. Corrales beat Castillo by TKO. But Castillo won by Knock out.

 

Id say.... mmmm..... that list is hard to argue with.
I think if Chavez had spent a few more yrs at LWT, he could have overtook Whitaker`s legacy at the weight, LWT seemed JCCs ideal weight, he should have spent more time there.

 

How did it turn out he was pretty limited Teeto?.I think it's still a question mark how good he was in his prime, because of the opposition factor as you say.By the time he lost to Freitas he was a shot shell of a fighter.

 

Yeah true, i just thought he wasn't as good a boxer as i'd thought he might have been, that's all, back then i always held a favourable side for the likes of him and Margarito, Daniesl Santos etc, guys who were not figuring in the top level stuff as much as you hoped. But i just never saw anything that made me feel he was elite, that's all i meant. I still got up for the Freitas fight regardless of him being at the end of his career, at that point also i didn't think he was too far removed from his prime, and that was a major test for him then. In hindsight thought it looks he was past it though clearly.

 

Rated purely on Lightweight fights, with active fighters having to of been world class for at least four years to qualify.


10 Hector Camacho
9 Jose Luis Castillo
8 Edwin Rosario
7 Stevie Johnston
6 Alexis Arguello
5 Oscar de la Hoya
4 Floyd Mayweather Jr
3 Shane Mosley
2 Julio Cesar Chavez
1 Pernell Whitaker

Mentions: Jim Watt, Ray Mancini, Hilmer Kenty, Sean O'Grady, Jose Luis Ramirez, Livingstone Bramble, Jimmy Paul, Freddie Pendleton, Greg Haugen, Orzubek Nazarov, Miguel Gonzales, Artur Grigorian, Diego Corrales, Juan Diaz, Nate Campbell and Manny Pacquiao

I think Chavez beats Whitaker at their 135lbs best, but Whitaker has the #1 spot because his resume is deeper at the weight.

 

100 % agree

 

You're talking total bull**** here. So much so that you should probably stick to moaning on about 50's Heavyweights to keep your credibility.

By the time Whitaker was anywhere near his prime Camacho had already moved up 140, which is why a matchup between the two at LW was on neither's radar (that and the fact that a young Olympian Whitaker had already schooled a prime Camacho in a sparring session a few years back, but that's for a different debate).

Rosario on the other hand probably would've faced Whitaker, had he not been poleaxed by the forgettable Juan Nazario, who Whitaker then promptly dispatched of in the first round. So there goes that.

I assume the comment about Camacho being in his prime when he faced Chavez (which was also at 140, not LW) was just a wind-up, so I'll leave it alone for now.

 

I will concede the point about Camacho since he went up to 140 in 1986 when whitaker was young....but edwin rosario a fight between he and whitaker could have easily been made in 1987-1988...no need to wait until rosarios rematch with nosario in 89. Chavez dominating win over Rosario and Whitakers non win over Rosario is a big deal. Rosario is a hall of fame very good lightweight. Its much better to have him on ones resume than not.

On camachos prime, I meant Rosario fought camacho in his prime........I still stand by the fact Julio Cesar Chavez was the first to uncontroversially BEAT hector camacho, even if hector was passed it by 1992

 

Coulda, shoulda, woulda. The fight wasn't lined up, therefore it didn't happen. Maybe Whitaker was too busy pitching shut-outs against the man that had blasted Rosario out in 4 rounds in their previous encounter. As was said, they were pretty much lined up to fight in 1990, but Rosario blew that one by getting blasted out by the ordinary Juan Nazario. We all know what happened when Nazario faced Pea in their subsequent matchup. I think that should close the door on Rosario for now.

Honestly, I don't think a bout with the two of them would've given us any more incentive as to Pea's abilities. He'd fought powerful boxer-punchers before in Freddie Pendleton and Roger Mayweather, both of whom he beat handily, as was the case with everyone else he faced. Rosario was nothing he couldn't deal with. Or shut out.

 

I think Camacho was supposed to fight Whitaker if he beat Greg Haugen, but Camacho won the rematch anyways, so they could have fought between summer of 1991- mid 1992, before Chavez decided to take on Hector and add him to his resume.

Was there ever talks of Whitaker vs Juan Martin Coggi or Patriso Oliva, they would have been 2 solid names on Whitaker's resume.

 

the rematch was an over the weight match, wasnt it?

so should it really count?