Top 10 of Pittsburgh

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  1. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My opinion:

    1. Harry Greb
    2. Billy Conn
    3. Charley Burley
    4. Wee Willie Davies
    5. Teddy Yarosz
    6. Frank Klaus
    7. Jackie Wilson
    8. Sammy Angott
    9. Fritzie Zivic
    10. Billy Soose

    Honorable mentions: Jack McClelland, Cuddy DeMarco, Tommy Yarosz, Patsy Brannigan, Jack Zivic, Johnny Ray, Mose Butch
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Some ****ing line up isn't it?

    There are a couple of guys I would swap on your list, but only literally by one place, so nothing to bleat about. That's aside from Zivic who is far to low for me. I would place him at #4, personally.
     
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  3. mcvey

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    A strong list although in my ignorance, I'm not familiar with Davies.

    Just looked him up ,close fights with Wolgast ,and wins over Genaro and Shwartz cement his claim, busy little guy wasn't he.
     
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  4. Surf-Bat

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    Mmmm....ahead of Yarosz and Wee Willie? Take a close look at those records, Matt ;) Yarosz and Davies are hard for Zivic to top. They beat killer opposition and were much more consistent in doing so. And Klaus has a loftier record too, imo.

    I love Fritzie, though. One of my favorite fighters. An H2H nightmare for any welter in history.
     
    Surf-Bat, Dec 14, 2012
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, above those guys. Zivic fought everybody. Everybody. He fought a who's who of boxing golden age. I think the highest level of competition ever, give or take.

    He's got a fair share of losses, sure.

    And Armstrong. He's got Armstrong. He beat arguably the best fighter ever. Ever.
     
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  6. Surf-Bat

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    Yup, he clobbered Genaro and Tony wouldn't come near him or be induced to give Willie a title shot for anything. Willie has one win over Wolgast, but Midget ultimately proved to be superior. But Wee Willie also topped flyweight champion Newsboy Brown (an excellent fighter who called Willie "the fastest fighter I ever fought"), beat champion Schwartz several times as well as Ross Fields and Black Bill (a cousin of Kid Chocolate and an excellent contender) several times.

    He also topped bantamweight titlist Tony Marino, top contender Eugene Huat and lost a close one to champion Spider Pladner.

    All in all, a great career. Check it out: http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=027843&cat=boxer
     
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  7. mcvey

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    I have , he belongs on that list.And, I've learned something.:good
     
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  8. Surf-Bat

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    Great wins, no doubt. But check out Yarosz vs world champions/titlists (and I won't even count the past prime versions of Tommy Freeman and Pete Latzo):

    3 wins over Vince Dundee
    2 wins over Ken Overlin
    A win over Billy Conn (and another that should have been awarded to him according to almost everyone who saw it)
    Archie Moore (young, but still a top fighter)
    Lou Brouillard
    Solly Krieger
    Babe Risko
    Ben Jeby

    Plus wins over the likes of
    Lloyd Marshall
    Al Gainer
    Nate Bolden

    and many others. Check out his consistency: http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=10519&cat=boxer

    Re: Davies. Though Armstrong may be the most glossy opponent on the compared resumes, Wee Wiilie Davies consistently beat by far the better opposition than Zivic.

    From where I sit anyway

    :smoke
     
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Don't mistake me: Beast.

    But I don't think Zivic belongs at #9.

    Kid Azteka, Jake LaMotta (!), Henry Armstrong, Freddie Cochrane, Lew Jenkins, Izzy Jannazzo, Phil Furr, Bummy Davis, Sammy Angott, Charley Burley, Eddie Booker (!) and that life and death effort with Billy Conn.

    Dude doesn't belong at #9 on any list :lol:
     
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  10. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Well done. Not much to add here. How about Pittsburgh vs. Philly?

    Philly's top ten:

    1. Joe Frazier
    2. Harold Johnson
    3. Joey Giardello
    4. Tommy Loughran
    5. Bob Montgomery
    6. Jeff Chandler
    7. Matt Muhammad
    8. Lew Tender
    9. Bennie Briscoe
    10. Midget Wolgast

    >>> I'll go with Pittsburgh here.
     
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  11. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ONE guy certainly belongs on this list. Bob Montgomery was on a par with Ike williams and Beau Jack in his heyday, and though a lightweight who engaged in many wars, was considered a notch over Jackie Wilson or even
    the welterweight Fritzie Zivic...A great list though...
     
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  12. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Please omit this Surf. I confused Philly [Montgomery] with Pittsburgh.:patsch:patsch:patsch
     
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  13. Surf-Bat

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    That's a formidable list of scalps, for sure.

    For what it's worth, here's long time Pittsburgh Press sportswriter Roy McHugh's list:

    1. Greb
    2. Conn
    3. Burley
    4. Yarosz
    5. Soose
    6. Zivic
    7. Angott
    8. Klaus
    9. Wilson
    10. Cuddy DeMarco
     
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  14. Surf-Bat

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    Me as well. I recall doing a city vs city thread once.
     
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  15. SLAKKA

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    Im sure Frank Klauses Mgr, the highly esteemed George Engel, would take him over light hitting and erratic stamina Teddy Yarosz.
    I love em both!!
     
    SLAKKA, Dec 15, 2012
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