Top 10 P4P at the end of 2007???? What's yours???

You're an idiot. Pac over PBF he closed the show what else can you ask for. PBF was setting this guy up, if you knew anything about boxing you'd know that Floyd never starts early, but turns up the heat in the later rounds. Secondly, how can you not have John Ruiz in your top 5

 

Ummm...He lost to Raheem at the end of 2005. So the 2006 rankings would be for that as well.

 

And Raheem beat him at the end of 2005....so that proves nothing. Your limitations on logic astound me. It DOES prove that you were wrong in saying Morales was top 5. He wasn't since before 2000.

 

Sorry PacD, but thats not true.

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_Pound_For_Pound--1990s

As you can see, many of the rankings are not listed here. And if you go through all the rankings on that site, it's random. So that doesn't really prove much of anything.

 

hmm... the raheem fight was Sept. 2005. but Ring in its year-end 2005 p4p rankings still lists erik @ #6. so, that means even Ring treated the raheem fight as a fluke.

 

That's IF those are year end rankings. Saying that they don't list the 2007 rankings proves that simply isn't true seeing as how they are missing rankings throughout that site. Both 1997 and 1991 are missing.

Why would they see it as a fluke? What is the reasoning behind you believing that? He was dominated, and it was his 2nd loss in his last 3 fights. If I am wrong, I don't mind saying I'm wrong, but I want more than just hunches as proof.

And Morales being rated BTW, doesn't mean he was still an elite prime fighter....Hopkins is rated now and he is no where NEAR prime.

 

I found the ratings and you were correct, he was still rated #6 before and after the fight by Ring. He was not top 5 at any point. So I was wrong there.

I don't feel I am wrong about his not being an elite fighter any longer, since Ring has rated many fighters that are no longer prime or elite. But he was rated and you were correct there.

 

well, calzaghe hasn't faced an elite, prime fighter ever. kessler is definitely prime but not elite. hopkins is still elite but not prime. morales being rated in the top 10 p4p during that time still makes him elite.

 

Not IMO it doesn't. Hopkins isn't elite to me. I don't go by Ring's ratings (I didn't bring them up in the first place) to determine who is elite. Hopkins is getting by on his reputation.

And Kessler was an elite level fighter IMO. Being in a weaker division didn't allow him to show his abilities.

 

so, that does mean that Ring treated the raheem fight as a fluke after alll...

 

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Pacman
4. J. Diaz
5. M. Cotto
6. I. Vasquez
7. R. Marquez
8. C. Dawson
9. K. Pavlik
10. B. Hopkins