top 10 P4P list after last night.

:rofl:rofl:rofl

Ward gets on but not Haye?

 

Ward wasn't even in the top 10 SMWs and now he's top 10 p4p?

Just no.

 

Ward isn't even top 25 P4P yet.

Nice try Kessler nuthuggers. atsch

 

Haye should be in there.

 

:rofl

 

Quality of his performances over the last 3 years? Since when does beating the likes of Edison Miranda, Henry Buchanan, Andy Kolle, Jerson Ravelo and Darnell Boone get you into a position where one good win gets you in the P4P top 10?

He would of had to have been top 20 even before the Kessler fight on that basis, and he clearly wasn't. He's talented, but he's got a lot more to prove before he gets on this list.

 

Wrong thread.

 

JMM has earned his spot in the top 10....He took the best fighter in the world the distance and lost by a single point...He also fought the best at LW and beat them in 2 good fights..not to mention he was moving up in weight...His only 2 losses of the past 3 years are against Manny and Floyd..the 2 best in the world today...

 

Kessler wasn't top 25, so no way does Ward, who wasn't top 40, put him into the top 10. If Kessler had won, he would have been about 18 and he'd have a better resume than Ward. I think Ward is about 20...23? Something like that.

 

When you're undefeated, just beaten a former unified world champion in a dominant decision and haven't looked like losing in your last 5 fights.

P4P doesn't mean resume - it means talent. Guys like JMM, Cotto and such - can you really keep them on there with losses in place of a guy who hasn't lost?

Pretty pointless to do that if you ask me.

 

Of course you can. JMM & Cotto lost to the 2 best fighters on the planet bar none, and two ATG's. If Ward was a 147 and fought Pac or Mayweather, he'd lose comfortably aswell, so what's the debate? He hasn't lost because he hasn't truly stepped up, and if he was to fight the likes of Hopkins or Dawson he'd be a beaten man.

Of course it's to do with resumé. That's like putting Guillermo Rigondeaux top 5 because of his talent. He hasn't proved anything yet to warrant a place on a top 10 list of course, and neither has Ward.

 

Had those fights been close, then you have reason to keep them in the Top 10.

Personally, due to being dominated in the way he was dominated, I take Cotto off my list, it's made even easier considering he had a close contentious decision in his last bout and is only a few bouts removed from Margarito knocking him out.

JMM - different story, he fought the best at a higher weight class, he could potentially deserve to keep himself in there.

Yes, there are more names as deserving/more deserving than Ward - but have they beaten someone against the odds? Let alone someone with the experience, the former unification and the status of Kessler?

Ward's victory was one of the more impressive upsets I've seen in quite some time - lets forget about how bad Kessler looked, Ward made him look that way.