Top 10 P4P Puerto Rican Pugilists...

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cobra Will Always Bite Back... Full Member

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    I know it's a mouthful! Big thanks to @ChrisJS who quite literally madenthis happen, but yeah, here's an article on my Top 10 P4P Puerto Ricans.

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  2. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pedro Montanez was the first omission I thought of as well. But damn good list, George.
     
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  3. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! booted Full Member

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    How about Ivan Calderon and Juan Manuel Lopez?

    I would Basora and Cocoa Kid (who had a journeyman record) replace for them.
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jose Torres?
    Pedro Montanez?
     
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  5. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nice. Interesting to see the usual incumbent (Gomez) relegated to #3 here, a bold choice. I personally have him at #1 there, but the list of scalps on Ortiz's list is kind of impressive and at least gives me pause in my reasoning. I usually have that trio as Gomez, Ortiz, Benitez.
     
  6. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails Full Member

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    Nice work George. A good read and a good list.

    I think Ortiz is the clear number 1 both resume and H2H for his weight (Gomez has the case, but 122's depth is a drop in the sea compared to 135), and Gomez has a case to actually be lower (depending on how you rank).

    And I do think Escobar shouldve been considered. Just me.
     
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  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cobra Will Always Bite Back... Full Member

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    Is it a bold choice? Gomez has like no résumé next to Ortiz.
     
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  8. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

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    Ivan Calderon is definitely a consideration for a top 10 spot, I'd say. JuanMa Lopez on the other hand? No chance.
     
  9. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

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    There is no way Juan Manuel Lopez deserves to be in the top 10 - he shouldn't even be a consideration. He'd be lucky to crack the top 25.
     
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  10. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

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    Good list, George. There's nothing in here I'd wildly disagree with and you got the top 4 fighters right, regardless of any arguments about the order.
     
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    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    True enough. There is some margin between the two as to how emphatically they would win their fights, but it's true I suppose that has everything in the world to do with quality of opposition. Ortiz was more workmanlike and patient, content to take a decision if he had to (losing a couple along the way), whereas Gomez felt it almost an affront to let a fight go that long. And Gomez, for the relative dearth of his competition, did step up big against the likes of Zarate and Pintor.

    I dunno, guess I could see it either way.
     
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  12. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Active Member Full Member

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    I think Ortiz overall has to be the #1 but I think a lot of people lean towards Gomez due to the fashion of his wins and his style. He looks like a better fighter at their respective bests. Gomez does have some great wins but Ortiz took on and defeated more styles and though Gomez has the best win Ortiz has far more depth. Hypothetically, so counts not a bit but I don’t think Gomez has any problems beating a smaller, used up Sugar Ramos nor does that version of Elorde give him any troubles for example. On a pound for pound basis Ortiz probably didn’t beat anyone Gomez wouldn’t have if you hypothetically measure both guys over a 6-7 year period but that’s not how it works. I’ll say that while Gomez was more explosive, entertaining, powerful, faster etc; Ortiz was more solid and was the more all around complete boxer.
     
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  13. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    One of the interesting things about Gomez's reign as that the division that he reigned over, and the crew that he defended against were generally better than they're given credit for being.

    For example...

    * Jose Cervantes has wins over Olivares and Jorge Lujuan.
    * Raul Tirado had a win over future standout bantam Alberto Davila
    * Nicky Perez was on a 41 fight win streak, and was the USBA champ when that meant something as a regional belt.
    * Sakad Petchyindee may have had only two fights, but one was over a well traveled and experienced contender Jose Antonio Lopez. Would go on to hold a regional title at lightweight. Was also an incredible muay thai fighter, and the inspiration for the Sagat character in Street Fighter.
    * Leo Cruz, Juan Meza, and Royal Kobayashi all held world titles at 122lbs.

    I think in other eras, a few of these guys could have reigned for a while at 122lbs. If not, then Zarate and/or Pintor could certainly have done so.

    So, while Ortiz does have the better resume, the margin btx him and Bazooka might not be quite as large as one might think.
     
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    The Morlocks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Where is Carmelo Negron and John LoCicero! Very exciting.
     
  15. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! booted Full Member

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    But Wilfredo Vasquez (senior) should be in it, ahead of Basaro and Chocolate especially.
    I also think that Trinidad could be higher and that Ortiz is too high (would have him rather in the area of Cotto and Camacho, but below the previous mentioned, Benitez and Gomez).
     


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