Top 10 P4P, What's Yours?

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  1. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

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    While are your 11 and 12, George?
     
  2. George Crowcroft

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    I deliberately didn't say... I don't want to give too much away.
     
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  3. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

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    Fair enough - I'll wait till the next podcast for the grand reveal!
     
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  4. Seamus

    Seamus Devotee of the Little Red Book Full Member

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    No real order...

    Edward Henry Greb
    Samuel Edgar Langford
    Robert James Fitzsimmons
    Henry Jackson, Jr.
    Walker Smith, Jr.
    Benjamin Leiner
    Patrick McFarland
    Roberto Duran Samaniego
    Joe Louis Barrow
    Joseph Gant
     
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  5. Humean

    Humean New Member Full Member

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    Roughly best each generation with some tortured decade placings.

    1910s/20s Benny Leonard
    1930s Henry Armstrong
    1940s Joe Louis
    1950s Sugar Ray Robinson
    1960s Muhammad Ali
    1970s Roberto Duran
    1980s Sugar Ray Leonard
    1990s Julio Cesar Chavez
    2000s Manny Pacquiao
    2010s Floyd Mayweather
     
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  6. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You do also have to put it into context though. Lightweight was probably only second to Heavyweight and he was a dominant, very active champion in arguably the divisions golden era. So with that much competition and good purses and his willingness to defend his title it’s hard to hold it against him. Weight hopping can be overrated whereas long, dominance can be underrated. I think you factor all that in with his skills and talent and for me at least it’s hard to fathom a top 10 without him.

    The McLarnin fight can be tossed out. He was an old man who’d retired in his prime and spent 6/7 years out the ring and came back for money.
     
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  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

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    Yeah, I know. Doesn't really factor in for me, as whatever the reasons for it not happening is irrelevant imo. It still didn't happen.

    Skills he's top of any pile, but I don't factor that in, personally. I prefer weight hopping over dominance, as it really does sum up the phrase "P4P".

    I don't hold losing to McLarnin against him, just that if he didn't the sky's the limit.
     
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  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

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    Can you explain this please. Preferably all of it, I think it would really help see where you're coming from.
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

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    And what numbers to call... ;)
     
  10. JLP1978

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    Champion: Sugar Ray Robinson
    1. Harry Greb
    2. Ezzard Charles
    3. Sam Langford
    3. Sugar Ray Leonard
    4. Muhammad Ali
    5. Jack Johnson
    6. Joe Louis
    7. Henry Armstrong
    8. Roberto Duran
    9. Willie Pep

    I haven’t done a list in years. Not sure I am comfortable with Pep over Benny Leonard. It also might be that Armstrong needs to be moved up over Louis and that Johnson needs to be moved up over Ali.
     
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  11. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Benny Leonard
    3. Ezzard Charles
    4. Henry Armstrong
    5. Muhammad Ali
    6. Joe Louis
    7. Harry Greb
    8. Roberto Duran
    9. Willie Pep
    10. Evander Holyfield