I personally base the health of the sport on more than 3 events. Wrestlemania gets a spectacular buyrate and a huge live crowd but it doesn't change the fact wrestling over the whole has been declining the past few years when you look at the volume of shows and compare their buyrates from past years. A boxing comparison would be comparing HBO figures over the years and comparing it to 2010 to see if 2010 increased or decreased. Found such a comparison here: http://www.boxing scene.com/?m=show&id=33888 (remove the space between boxing and scene) HBO non-PPV cards: 2009 - 17 shows (5 at casinos, 12 non-casino venues) Average TV rating for non-casino venues: 1.312 million live viewers Average TV rating for casino venues: 1.047 million live viewers 2010 - 17 shows (8 at casinos, 9 non-casino venues) Average TV rating for non-casino venues: 1.054 million live viewers Average TV rating for casino venues: 987000 live viewers
WTF are you comparing though? Boxing as an entire sport versus the UFC, a popular but throughly american MMA league. You do realize that there are many MMA leagues around the world don't you? Here are just a few: US Promotions: UFC • WEC • Strikeforce • Bellator Fighting Championships • Art of War (US) • RITC • Adrenaline MMA • Ohio Xtreme Fighting • HDNet Fights • Valley Fight • EFC • Combate Extremo• FFC • King of the Cage • Icon Sport • PFC • WCF • IFC • Vyper Fight League • USA-MMA • Gladiator Challenge Japanese promotions: DREAM • Sengoku • Shooto • ZST • DEEP • Pancrase • Cage Force • Jewels • MARS • RINGS Canadian promotions: MFC • Xmma • Warrior-1 MMA • King Of The Cage Canada • TFC • CfC • XCW South American promotions: Jungle Fight • Fury FC • Max Fight • Predador • IVC Asian promotions: Art of War • URCC • Fearless FC • Moosin • FMC European promotions: Cage Warriors • Finnfight • SLAMM!! Events • It's Showtime • M-1 Global • KSW • Ultimate Challenge UK • The Zone FC • British Fighting Championships • Kombat League • Cage Fight Series Oceanian promotions: CFC • Ring Wars • Warriors Realm Like I said, people can be in denial about this or they can accept that MMA is currently at least on a trajectory to out compete boxing and that boxing needs to undergo reforms to attract viewers. MMA is good for boxing, if for no other reason than pushing it to change. I think most boxing fans are dissatisfied with the current state of affairs (eg., the way match ups are made, especially title fights......the low activity level of fighters... what fights get shown on PPV etc.)
Those are US numbers only. Also, UFC buy rates are inflated, because they include each person who pays $10 - $15 to watch at a bar in their buy rate numbers. If you went by revenues instead of buys, it would look a lot closer. Although it's not like there were a ton of other great PPVs in boxing last year. Marquez-Diaz was probably the third biggest, and that didn't even do 200k buys, IIRC.
The UFC doesn't release their buyrates, third parties (i.e. cable providers that sell the PPV) do. That's been a longstanding belief of Dana for the UFC to not publicly release their buyrates. And I don't see why the cable providers would count differently for the UFC compared to boxing in that regard.
king has to be he's been around since the dinosaurs and he probably has his money abroad in other accounts.
They don't, but there isn't a network of hundreds of bars across the country where you can pay $15 to go watch the PPV for boxing like there is for UFC. It's a collective action problem. You can go to UFC's website and find out every bar that is playing the PPV, go there, and watch for $15 or sometimes less. For boxing, it takes a lot of effort just to find out where they're playing the fight, and when you find it, they're usually charging more than that, because HBO sets its public viewing license fees higher than UFC does. On fights they do show in bars, they tend to only be the really big ones, and they are counted the same way (generally, they get baked into the satellite numbers because any public airing of a PPV requires reporting back to the satellite companies, since you need to pay a license fee per viewer).
Not necessarily true. MMA has gained a steady following in the world. Its huge in Japan, Russia and Poland just to name a few places. You can denigrate the sport and its athletes if you'd like ( and I bet you football fans are saying the same damn thing about boxers that you've just said about MMA athletes), but that still doesn't change the reality that UFC is an attractive, exciting sport to watch for many, as demonstrated by this US PPV list. Wordwide the MMA is growing and sucking off potential fans away from boxing. If boxing does nothing and it remains in denial like many fans here, it will stand to lose even more ground.