Top 20 Welterweights

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    WW.
    1. Ray Robinson
    2. Ray Leonard
    3. Henry Armstrong
    4. Jack Britton
    5. Kid Gavalin
    6. Emile Griffith
    7. Ted Kid Lewis
    8. Luis Rodriguez
    9. Jimmy McLarnin
    10. José Napoles
    11. Mickey Walker
    12. Barney Ross
    13. Floyd Mayweather Jr
    14. Tommy Ryan
    15. Manny Pacquiao
    16. Barbados Joe Walcott
    17. Young Corbett III
    18. Fritzie Zivic
    19. Curtis Cokes
    20. Oscar Del a Hoya
     
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  2. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    I like your list. However, I would remove a name like Mayweather and replace with someone like Barbados Joe Walcott. Not to say Mayweather isn't great, but I rank him higher in lower divisions than at welter. I guess it does depend on how you judge.

    I would also have Armstrong lower, due to similar reasons. He was a much greater force lower down in weight.
    I would consider Hearns in the list due to wins over Cuevas etc. He was extremely dominant.
    I also think Emile Griffith should be strongly considered for the list.
     
  3. George Crowcroft

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    Cheers for the feedback, Grithith was there, and I forgot about Walcott.
     
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    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Woops, sorry. I need my eyes checked lol.
     
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  5. PhillyPhan69

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    I have been told that I am not an SRL guy, but I don’t see anyway he is not top 3
     
  6. roughdiamond

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    Also Ted Kid Lewis could definitely be considered.

    Jimmy McLarnin as well.

    Pure H2H Roberto Duran is very high as well IMO.
     
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  7. George Crowcroft

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    Well I have him at 5
     
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  8. George Crowcroft

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    Really? I thought Kid was lightweight, and McLarnin was all over the place too
     
  9. roughdiamond

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    He had an intense rivalry with Jack Britton. They fought dozens of times, including for the title (20 bouts all together!), with it changing hands repeatedly.
    Maybe you're thinking of Kid Berg? Lewis did start as a Bantam, and moved through the weights also.
     
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  10. George Crowcroft

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    Off course, I know all about there rivalry but didn't realize it was at 147. The old days had a lot of strange fights and weights didn't really matter
     
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    Lewis fought Britton 19 times. Both he and McLarnin were world welterweight titleholders.
     
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  12. PhillyPhan69

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    LOl I can read! I am just curious as to why? I don't see any case for outside of top 3? so I was interested in why you see him lower than the norm. I am not particularly fond of him, so I would love to move him down a few spots...I just cant find the justification for it yet. But I am open to learning

    for me:
    1 SRR

    2 SRL

    3 Napoles
    4 Gavilan

    5 Britton
    6 Griffith

    7 Armstrong
    8 Hearns

    9 Jackie Fields
    10 Floyd Mayweather Jr

    Honorable mention
    Ted Kid Lewis
    Tommy Ryan
    Barney Ross
    Jimmy McLarnin
    Mickey Walker
    joe Walcott
    Luis Rodriguez
    Carmen Basilio

    Mentions
    DLH
    Tito
    Zivic
    Burley
    Whitaker
    Mosley
    Cokes
     
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  13. George Crowcroft

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    Cheers didn't know that. I thought it was like 12 times
     
  14. George Crowcroft

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    I just like Walkers résumé more and How vicious Armstrong was, I think most will agree that Robinson is number 1. Believe me I'm not degrading him, I love his style at his best it was a work of art but I like the others at this weight more. Also Napoles had a longer streak at 147, just not as flashy
     
  15. Flash24

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    For me Its not just about the number of fights the fighter had, but who they fought, and when did they fight them I wouldn't rank Mayweatherjr in my top 10 because their are too many questions about his opponents at the weight. ( But I do rank him at Jr.Light) I also try and match the fighters against each other, if they fought 3 times, who would win 2? So of course I'll start with the Original "Sugar" R Robinson. Than, that other "Sugar" R.Leonard, T.Hearns, J.Nspoles, H,Armstrong, K.Gavilan,E.Griffith,R.Duran( a surprise pick, but Duran would've dominated the welters without Leonard,Hearns or Benitez) Benitez, then Cuevas believe it or not. I don't rank fighters that have little to no film on them. Walker, Ross etc I'm sure were excellent fighters. But I don't judge a fighter by what someone has said, who probably heard someone else say it, than bang their legends. More than likely the men who praise Walker as the greatest, never saw Robinson, and definitely didn't see Leonard.