Top 100 ATG Boxers of All-Time - Evenly Distributed by Decade of Birth

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  1. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Firstly, I divided the boxers according to their birth decade. For now, I have 12 classification in an effort to ensure that the Top 100 list is representative for each era.

    So with 12 decade/era, the top 8 makes the list. So 12x8, that is 96.
    Leaving with only 4 wildcard spots to complete the roster.

    Would appreciate your comments on the ranking per decade. It will be easier to compare boxers in the same era rather than debating who is greater between Eder Jofre and Alexis Arguello.

    List is in Post #3

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  2. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    The potential pitfall of equal rating by decade is that some decades produced more great fighters than others so you might find it a struggle to fit only 8 fighters into one era and relatively easy to do it others (easy for me to do that for 2000s and 2010s, not easy for me to do for 1960s or 1970s, for example).

    But I look forward to seeing it.
     
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    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    1. Bob Fitzsimmons
    2. Joe Gans
    3. Barbados Joe Walcott
    4. Jack Johnson
    5. Tommy Ryan
    6. Jim Jeffries
    7. George Dixon
    8. Non Pareil Jack Dempsey
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    1. Sam Langford
    2. Stanley Ketchel
    3. Abe Attel
    4. Terry McGovern
    5. Jack Britton
    6. Freddie Welsh
    7. Packey McFarland
    8. Johnny Kilbane
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    1. Harry Greb
    2. Benny Leonard
    3. Gene Tunney
    4. Jimmy Wilde
    5. Jack Dempsey
    6. Tiger Flowers
    7. Ted Kid Lewis
    8. Harry Wills
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    1. Barney Ross
    2. Mickey Walker
    3. Tony Canzoneri
    4. Jimmy McLarnin
    5. Tommy Loughran
    6. Panama Al Brown
    7. Pancho Villa
    8. Fidel Labarba
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    1. Henry Armstrong
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Archie Moore
    4. Charley Burley
    5. Billy Conn
    6. Holman Williams
    7. Kid Chocolate
    8. Manuel Ortiz
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    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Ezzard Charles
    3. Willie Pep
    4. Rocky Marciano
    5. Sandy Saddler
    6. Kid Gavilan
    7. Ike Williams
    8. Dck Tiger
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    1. Emile Griffith
    2. Eder Jofre
    3. Carlos Ortiz
    4. Bob Foster
    5. Luis Manuel Rodriguez
    6. Flash Elorde
    7. Gene Fullmer
    8. Sonny Liston
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    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Carlos Monzon
    3. Jose Napoles
    4. Ruben Olivares
    5. Fighting Harada
    6. Larry Holmes
    7. George Foreman
    8. Joe Frazier
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    1. Roberto Duran
    2. Sugar Ray Leonard
    3. Marvin Hagler
    4. Alexis Arguello
    5. Thomas Hearns
    6. Salvador Sanchez
    7. Michael Spinks
    8. Wilfredo Gomez
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    1. Roy Jones Jr
    2. Pernell Whitaker
    3. Bernard Hopkins
    4. Julio Cesar Chavez
    5. Evander Holyfield
    6. Lennox Lewis
    7. Ricardo Lopez
    8. Mike Tyson
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    1. Manny Pacquiao
    2. Floyd Mayweather Jr
    3. Oscar De La Hoya
    4. Felix Trinidad
    5. Erik Morales
    6. Juan Manuel Marquez
    7. Marco Antonio Barrera
    8. Wladimir Klitschko
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    1. Andre Ward
    2. Canelo Alvarez
    3. Gennady Golovkin
    4. Roman Gonzales
    5. Nonito Donaire
    6. Vasyl Lomachenko
    7. Miguel Cotto
    8. Tyson Fury
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  4. Hannibal Barca

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    Tiger Flowers was born in 1895.

    Bernard Hopkins seems a bit high.

    Roman Gonzales seems low, particularly with Cotto ahead of him.
     
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  5. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Updated 1910s - removed Tiger Flowers and Benny Lynch enters Top 10
    Updated 1890s - inserted Tiger Flowers before Ted Kid Lewis and Peter Herman exits the Top 10

    I think Hopkins has a better resume than JCC. But his placement over Sweet Pea is debatable. I still think Bhop longevity triumphs over Whitaker's defensive prowess.

    Interesting to see how this forum will rank Donaire, Cotto and Roman Gonzales. All three are 4 division champion and have been a staple in the P4P list. We need to examine if Cotto's win over Sergio Martinez is enough to rank him higher than Chocolalito.
     
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    For me, Flowers>Lewis is crazy talk. Unless you're taking his Britton series as a sort of "loss overall"?

    I'd suggest Sweet Pea is locked above Hopkins and i'd suggest Gonzalez is locked above Cotto, by some distance for me. As in, a class or more between them. Cotto's round 1 performance against Martinez is pretty great given where he was in his own career but Martinez's knees were absolutely in bits. He was in pieces. It's definitely not a win that closes the gap.
     
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  7. Hannibal Barca

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    Utterly agree. I was at the Cotto vs Martinez fight. That was a pure cash out for a fighter with shot knees. Prime Martinez would have destroyed Cotto.

    And I agree Whitaker is a class above Hopkins as well, a top 10 all time h2h fighter.
     
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  8. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Notable fighters to miss the cut are Tommy Gibbons, Benny Lynch, Bob Montgromery, Pascual Perez, Joe Brown, Beau Jack, Antonio Cervantes, Wilfred Benitez, Azumah Nelson, Mike McCallum, Khaosai Galaxy, Eusebio Pedroza, Kostya Tszyu, Vitalai Klitschko, Winky Wright, Sergio Martinez, Pongsaklek Wonjongkam, Fernando Montiel, Rafael Marquez, Ivan Calderon, Ricky Hatton, etc
     
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    Love the break down.
     
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  10. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How would you rank Holmes, Foreman and Frazier?
    Holman Williams and Baby Arizmendi greater than Jersey Joe Walcott?
    Griffith or Jofre?
    Kid Gavilan or Ike Williams or Dck Tiger?
    Kid Chocolate or Manuel Ortiz?
    Tyson or Finito Lopez?
    Rank these: Pryor, Wilfredo Gomez, Zarate & Wilfrez Benitez?
    Mosley or Vitali?
    Nietes or Bradley?
     
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    How about for the wildcard spots?
    Pryor is a lock.

    Toney, Calzaghe, Lamotta, Pete Herman, Basilio, Zarate, Benitez, Miguel Canto.
    I can only choose 3.
    I'd gone with Calzaghe, Lamotta and Herman
     
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    If you were to choose three from the list, who would you choose?

    Baby Arizmeni
    Benny Lynch
    Bob Montgomery
    Freddie Miller
    Freddie Steele
    Jersey Joe Walcott
    Jimmy Bivins
    John Henry Lewis
    Kid Chocolate
    Lloyd Marshall
    Lou Ambers
    Manuel Ortiz
    Marcel Cerdan
    Tony Zale
    Midget Wolgast
    Young Corbett III
     
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