Top 100 Heavyweights

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  1. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I’m sure 1-70 won’t be disputed to harshly…it’s the 71-100 I think people will argue about. As best I can do who do you think is left off?
    1) Muhammad Ali
    2) Joe Louis
    3) Lennox Lewis
    4) Rocky Marciano
    5) Sonny Liston
    6) George Foreman
    7) Joe Frazier
    8) Mike Tyson
    9) Larry Holmes
    10) Wladimir Klitschko
    11) Evander Holyfield
    12) Jack Johnson
    13) James Jeffries
    14) Jack Dempsey
    15)Harry Wills
    16) Sam Langford
    17) Ezzard Charles
    18) Jersey Joe Walcott
    19) Floyd Patterson
    20)Vitali Klitschko
    21) Archie Moore
    22) Joe Jeanette
    23) Jerry Quarry
    24) Alexander Povetkin
    25) Max Baer
    26) Ingrmae Johansson
    27) Harold Johnson
    28) Max Schmeling
    29) Eddie Machen
    30) Ken Norton
    31) Jimmy Bivins
    32) Riddick Bowe (forgot to add him earlier)
    33) Zora Folley
    34) Sam Mcvea
    35) Oscar Bonavena
    36) Jimmy Ellis
    37) Ron Lyle
    38) Jack Sharkey
    39) Tim Witherspoon
    40) Michael Moorer
    41) David Tua
    42) Frank Bruno
    43) Chris Byrd
    44) Primo Carnera
    45) Bob Pastor
    46) Bob Fitzsimmons
    47) Ernie Terrell
    48) Leotis Martin
    49) Jess Willard
    50) Jimmy Young
    51) Elmer Ray
    52) Michael Dokes
    53) Nino Valdez
    53) Cleveland Williams
    54) Clarence Henry
    55) Tommy Jackson
    56) Gerrie Coetzee
    57) Hasim Rahman
    58) Rex Layne
    59) Donovan Ruddock
    60) Lee Q Murray
    61) Henry Akinwande
    62) Ike Ibeabuchi
    63) Bob Baker
    64) Gene Tunney (forgot him earlier)
    65) Tommy Loughran
    66) Earnie Schaff
    67) Tommy Morrison
    68) Lou Nova
    69) Corrie Sanders
    70) Joe Bugner
    71) George Chuvalo
    72) Earnie Shavers
    73) Joey Maxim
    74) Gerry Cooney
    75) John Ruiz
    76) Henry Cooper
    77) Oliver McCall
    78) Bob Satterfield
    79) Roland Lastarza
    80) Turkey Thompson
    81) Lee Savold
    82) Arturo Godoy
    83) Tami Mauriello
    84) Roscoe Toles
    85) Michael Spinks
    86) James Douglas
    87) Ray Mercer
    88) Mike Weaver
    89) Trevor Berbick
    90) Abe Simon
    91) Nathan Mann
    92) Obie Walker
    93) James Braddock
    94) Tony Galento
    95) Tommy Burns
    96) Monte Barrett
    97) David Haye
    98) Willie Pastrano
    99) John Tate
    100) Greg Page

    I’m sure I left someone of importance off. The earlier men like Burns and Hart and Sullivan were left off. Maybe they should be on maybe not. Maybe Maher as well. What say you?
     
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  2. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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    Nice list.
    Where is James J. Braddock?
    Tommy Burns with 11 title defense, in one belt era must be in top 100.
     
  3. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Forgot Braddock thank you. He def needs to be there . Was hesitant to put Burns and Sullivan. But they’ve probably earned a spot. Who to eliminate though..
     
  4. OP_TheJawBreaker

    OP_TheJawBreaker NOBODY hit like that guy! Full Member

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    Why on earth you put Tyson above Holmes, but the true question is.. WHY THE HELL HOLMES NOT IN THE TOP 5?

    Why on earth Schmeling not top 20?

    As much as I love Machen, he didn't do enough to earn this spot. Should've been Folley.

    James Broad, Phil Jackson, washed up Dokes, declining James Smith and an ancient Greg Page does not put this high.

    Why is he that high? Again, who did he beat? Williams, Thomas and Tilis was f*cking old. Winning against a washed up Ruddock. His best win is probably only Foreman and Joe Hipp. That two alone can't make you this high.

    Why is he this high? Who did he beat? A decent cruisewright champ ST Gordon and Eddie Lopez and that's probably it. Lyle was washed up. Ken Norton was old and Jimmy Young was already fading at that point.

    Bob Satterfield should be higher, somewhere 60-50. He beat a handful of contenders including Nino Valdes, Johnny Summerlin, John Holman 2x, Lee Oma, Julio Mederos, Elkins Brothers and Bob Baker. Can't see why he should be lower than Gerry Cooney and speaking of Cooney.

    OH MY GOODNESS, Why Weaver this low? He's one of the best boxers of the 80's and you put him at #88? He beat Bernardo Mercado, James Tilis, John Tate, Gerrie Coatzee, Carl Williams and he arguably beaten a prime Dokes in their 2nd bout. Idk man, I feel like your list is terrible of being truly honest. Guys like Ruddock, Cooney, Morrison, etc shouldn't be higher than this guy.

    Truthfully, I think your list is far from perfect. Don't worry take your time and think about it
     
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  5. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This list requires a lot of time to create and it's hard to be consistent all the time. That said, I see quite a lot of problems with this list.

    Why Quarry so high? What makes him higher than Schmeling or Bowe?
    Schmeling outside of top 25 doesn't make any sense. I know I can be biased, but he has arguably the greatest win in HW history and his resume is full of wins against quality HWs of his era. Seriously, Harold Johnson over him is insane to me.
    Having Lyle ahead of Sharkey also is quite strange. Who did Lyle exactly beat?
    Byrd below Bruno and Tua? Why? Tua accomplished very little in his career.
    Fitzsimmons this low is quite shocking. Seriously, what's the reasoning for having likes of Bruno, Tua or Pastor over Bob? Fitzsimmons is a lock top 25.
    Loughran should be much higher, his HW resume is arguably better than Moore's.
    Morrison shouldn't reach top 100 at all.
    Neither should Chuvalo.
    Lastarza this high is also questionable, 1950s bias?

    I also see no 1890s fighters. I mean, Sullivan is a must have. Peter Jackson, Joe Goddard, Peter Maher should all be inside top 60.
     
  6. Stiches Yarn

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    PAR EXCELLENCE !
    Very glad you didn't put John L Sullivan in there.
    However, while i think Bowe do not really deserve to be in the top 10 (which is a bit sad knowing the talent he had.) having him at 32# is a bit harsh.
    Oh and you can call me crazy, but i don't think Wladimir Klitschko should be in the top 10.
    Otherwise, Great List!!!
     
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  7. JohnThomas1

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    I wouldn't call it terrible. His exact criteria hasn't even been stated.

    I think he's basically got the right names in the top 12 (under a variety of criteria) which is a decent selling point. It would get bloody hard as you progressed down the list after a certain number.
     
  8. OP_TheJawBreaker

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    Yeah terrible might be a bit too harsh but at the same time I can't see this list as a good one either. I'll just say that it needs a LOT of improvement.
     
  9. Claw4075

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    Why in the hell is Sonny Liston #5 and Holyfield #11 ????

    I don't get the bootlicking for that can crusher.
     
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  10. Unforgiven

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    Tommy Morrison is way too high. He shouldn't be on the list, but anyway ...
    He's above guys like Mike Weaver, Buster Douglas?
    He's above Ray Mercer who absolutely destroyed him?
    He's above Trevor Berbick?
    That's crazy.
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    Also, why is Gerrie Coetzee so many places above Weaver and Tate, the two men who beat him in his backyard when he was in his prime??
    There's no way on earth he should be above Weaver.
    You could perhaps make some case based on resume to have him above Tate (I wouldn't) but even then it would have to be closer.
     
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  12. Unforgiven

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    I could go on.

    But I appreciate the effort. Good list (although the ordering needs a lot of work).
    :thumbsup:
     
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  13. Gazelle Punch

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    Don’t get caught up in the order so much. Bowe should be in the top 20 somewhere. As well as Tunney. I forgot to add them.

    I place Quarry above Schmeling

    Morrison is absolutely top 100 as well as Chuvalo

    I agree on Loughran

    I have a difficult time with the early fighters admittedly. I don’t like their “skills” as compared to anything after the 1920s. Almost like a different sport. Just personal opinion

    I am biased towards the 50s. But that doesn’t have anything to do with Lastarza or his placement. He’s top 100 worthy. Once again I wouldn’t get to caught up on the placement. It’s basically how I would do it except about five guys are out of place.

    I like Byrd as a fighter personally but I think he gets a bit overrated. Also had some dubious decisions in his favor. Him Tua and Bruno could al be given the same ranking so long as they’re in the same general area I don’t see a problem with it.

    Lyle was a good fighter and deserves his slot.
     
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  14. Gazelle Punch

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    The bottom 30 or 40 weren’t that easy to place. Some were given better rankings because they say beat more C fighters then their counterparts but maybe lost more big fights. Kind of like Cleveland Williams. He’s ranked pretty high despite not beating many top 100 fighters. But he wiped the floor with every stepping stone guy. Coetzee is one of those guys. I wouldn’t get to caught up in the ranking (some were misplaced like Bowe, Loughran, Tunney, etc). Think it’s more
    Important of the general area they’re in and that they made the list.
     
  15. 70sFan865

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    I wouldn't have him inside top 20, but he definitely should be ahead.
    Based on what exactly? Schmeling has much better resume, beat better fighters and is more accomplished. I don't see any reason to rank Quarry higher.
    Because they are famous enough? They accomplished nothing relevant in their careers. Even their top wins are weak and they have no depth in their resume. They also lost to some horrible fighters in their primes.
    Shouldn't this kind of list be as objective as possible? If you feel uncomfortable with pre-20s figthers, just exclude all of them. It makes no sense to rank Johnson and Jeffries this high, but having Fitzsimmons outside of top 40 and not ranking Maher or Goddard at all.
    He was a good fighter, but he didn't deserve to be this high. His resume is thin, he made his name of giving Foreman and Ali tough fights but neither of them was in their absolute primes anymore.