I’m sure 1-70 won’t be disputed to harshly…it’s the 71-100 I think people will argue about. As best I can do who do you think is left off? 1) Muhammad Ali 2) Joe Louis 3) Lennox Lewis 4) Rocky Marciano 5) Sonny Liston 6) George Foreman 7) Joe Frazier 8) Mike Tyson 9) Larry Holmes 10) Wladimir Klitschko 11) Evander Holyfield 12) Jack Johnson 13) James Jeffries 14) Jack Dempsey 15)Harry Wills 16) Sam Langford 17) Ezzard Charles 18) Jersey Joe Walcott 19) Floyd Patterson 20)Vitali Klitschko 21) Archie Moore 22) Joe Jeanette 23) Jerry Quarry 24) Alexander Povetkin 25) Max Baer 26) Ingrmae Johansson 27) Harold Johnson 28) Max Schmeling 29) Eddie Machen 30) Ken Norton 31) Jimmy Bivins 32) Riddick Bowe (forgot to add him earlier) 33) Zora Folley 34) Sam Mcvea 35) Oscar Bonavena 36) Jimmy Ellis 37) Ron Lyle 38) Jack Sharkey 39) Tim Witherspoon 40) Michael Moorer 41) David Tua 42) Frank Bruno 43) Chris Byrd 44) Primo Carnera 45) Bob Pastor 46) Bob Fitzsimmons 47) Ernie Terrell 48) Leotis Martin 49) Jess Willard 50) Jimmy Young 51) Elmer Ray 52) Michael Dokes 53) Nino Valdez 53) Cleveland Williams 54) Clarence Henry 55) Tommy Jackson 56) Gerrie Coetzee 57) Hasim Rahman 58) Rex Layne 59) Donovan Ruddock 60) Lee Q Murray 61) Henry Akinwande 62) Ike Ibeabuchi 63) Bob Baker 64) Gene Tunney (forgot him earlier) 65) Tommy Loughran 66) Earnie Schaff 67) Tommy Morrison 68) Lou Nova 69) Corrie Sanders 70) Joe Bugner 71) George Chuvalo 72) Earnie Shavers 73) Joey Maxim 74) Gerry Cooney 75) John Ruiz 76) Henry Cooper 77) Oliver McCall 78) Bob Satterfield 79) Roland Lastarza 80) Turkey Thompson 81) Lee Savold 82) Arturo Godoy 83) Tami Mauriello 84) Roscoe Toles 85) Michael Spinks 86) James Douglas 87) Ray Mercer 88) Mike Weaver 89) Trevor Berbick 90) Abe Simon 91) Nathan Mann 92) Obie Walker 93) James Braddock 94) Tony Galento 95) Tommy Burns 96) Monte Barrett 97) David Haye 98) Willie Pastrano 99) John Tate 100) Greg Page I’m sure I left someone of importance off. The earlier men like Burns and Hart and Sullivan were left off. Maybe they should be on maybe not. Maybe Maher as well. What say you?
Nice list. Where is James J. Braddock? Tommy Burns with 11 title defense, in one belt era must be in top 100.
Forgot Braddock thank you. He def needs to be there . Was hesitant to put Burns and Sullivan. But they’ve probably earned a spot. Who to eliminate though..
Why on earth you put Tyson above Holmes, but the true question is.. WHY THE HELL HOLMES NOT IN THE TOP 5? Why on earth Schmeling not top 20? As much as I love Machen, he didn't do enough to earn this spot. Should've been Folley. James Broad, Phil Jackson, washed up Dokes, declining James Smith and an ancient Greg Page does not put this high. Why is he that high? Again, who did he beat? Williams, Thomas and Tilis was f*cking old. Winning against a washed up Ruddock. His best win is probably only Foreman and Joe Hipp. That two alone can't make you this high. Why is he this high? Who did he beat? A decent cruisewright champ ST Gordon and Eddie Lopez and that's probably it. Lyle was washed up. Ken Norton was old and Jimmy Young was already fading at that point. Bob Satterfield should be higher, somewhere 60-50. He beat a handful of contenders including Nino Valdes, Johnny Summerlin, John Holman 2x, Lee Oma, Julio Mederos, Elkins Brothers and Bob Baker. Can't see why he should be lower than Gerry Cooney and speaking of Cooney. OH MY GOODNESS, Why Weaver this low? He's one of the best boxers of the 80's and you put him at #88? He beat Bernardo Mercado, James Tilis, John Tate, Gerrie Coatzee, Carl Williams and he arguably beaten a prime Dokes in their 2nd bout. Idk man, I feel like your list is terrible of being truly honest. Guys like Ruddock, Cooney, Morrison, etc shouldn't be higher than this guy. Truthfully, I think your list is far from perfect. Don't worry take your time and think about it
This list requires a lot of time to create and it's hard to be consistent all the time. That said, I see quite a lot of problems with this list. Why Quarry so high? What makes him higher than Schmeling or Bowe? Schmeling outside of top 25 doesn't make any sense. I know I can be biased, but he has arguably the greatest win in HW history and his resume is full of wins against quality HWs of his era. Seriously, Harold Johnson over him is insane to me. Having Lyle ahead of Sharkey also is quite strange. Who did Lyle exactly beat? Byrd below Bruno and Tua? Why? Tua accomplished very little in his career. Fitzsimmons this low is quite shocking. Seriously, what's the reasoning for having likes of Bruno, Tua or Pastor over Bob? Fitzsimmons is a lock top 25. Loughran should be much higher, his HW resume is arguably better than Moore's. Morrison shouldn't reach top 100 at all. Neither should Chuvalo. Lastarza this high is also questionable, 1950s bias? I also see no 1890s fighters. I mean, Sullivan is a must have. Peter Jackson, Joe Goddard, Peter Maher should all be inside top 60.
PAR EXCELLENCE ! Very glad you didn't put John L Sullivan in there. However, while i think Bowe do not really deserve to be in the top 10 (which is a bit sad knowing the talent he had.) having him at 32# is a bit harsh. Oh and you can call me crazy, but i don't think Wladimir Klitschko should be in the top 10. Otherwise, Great List!!!
I wouldn't call it terrible. His exact criteria hasn't even been stated. I think he's basically got the right names in the top 12 (under a variety of criteria) which is a decent selling point. It would get bloody hard as you progressed down the list after a certain number.
Yeah terrible might be a bit too harsh but at the same time I can't see this list as a good one either. I'll just say that it needs a LOT of improvement.
Why in the hell is Sonny Liston #5 and Holyfield #11 ???? I don't get the bootlicking for that can crusher.
Tommy Morrison is way too high. He shouldn't be on the list, but anyway ... He's above guys like Mike Weaver, Buster Douglas? He's above Ray Mercer who absolutely destroyed him? He's above Trevor Berbick? That's crazy.
Also, why is Gerrie Coetzee so many places above Weaver and Tate, the two men who beat him in his backyard when he was in his prime?? There's no way on earth he should be above Weaver. You could perhaps make some case based on resume to have him above Tate (I wouldn't) but even then it would have to be closer.
Don’t get caught up in the order so much. Bowe should be in the top 20 somewhere. As well as Tunney. I forgot to add them. I place Quarry above Schmeling Morrison is absolutely top 100 as well as Chuvalo I agree on Loughran I have a difficult time with the early fighters admittedly. I don’t like their “skills” as compared to anything after the 1920s. Almost like a different sport. Just personal opinion I am biased towards the 50s. But that doesn’t have anything to do with Lastarza or his placement. He’s top 100 worthy. Once again I wouldn’t get to caught up on the placement. It’s basically how I would do it except about five guys are out of place. I like Byrd as a fighter personally but I think he gets a bit overrated. Also had some dubious decisions in his favor. Him Tua and Bruno could al be given the same ranking so long as they’re in the same general area I don’t see a problem with it. Lyle was a good fighter and deserves his slot.
The bottom 30 or 40 weren’t that easy to place. Some were given better rankings because they say beat more C fighters then their counterparts but maybe lost more big fights. Kind of like Cleveland Williams. He’s ranked pretty high despite not beating many top 100 fighters. But he wiped the floor with every stepping stone guy. Coetzee is one of those guys. I wouldn’t get to caught up in the ranking (some were misplaced like Bowe, Loughran, Tunney, etc). Think it’s more Important of the general area they’re in and that they made the list.
I wouldn't have him inside top 20, but he definitely should be ahead. Based on what exactly? Schmeling has much better resume, beat better fighters and is more accomplished. I don't see any reason to rank Quarry higher. Because they are famous enough? They accomplished nothing relevant in their careers. Even their top wins are weak and they have no depth in their resume. They also lost to some horrible fighters in their primes. Shouldn't this kind of list be as objective as possible? If you feel uncomfortable with pre-20s figthers, just exclude all of them. It makes no sense to rank Johnson and Jeffries this high, but having Fitzsimmons outside of top 40 and not ranking Maher or Goddard at all. He was a good fighter, but he didn't deserve to be this high. His resume is thin, he made his name of giving Foreman and Ali tough fights but neither of them was in their absolute primes anymore.