Top 100 Premier Boxing Organisation March Ratings

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by FrancescoD, Feb 28, 2016.


  1. Lith

    Lith Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They aren't choosing it, it's all calculated - the reason Charles Martin hasn't leapt out of obscurity up to the very top is that he has only two wins against top 100 people there, it means that a lucky win doesn't suddenly make someone a top ten guy. Just use some brain if you have some, look at any of the top 20 guys last 20 fights and the quality of opponents instead of using the typical casual observers mentality which seems to be "I know Anthony JOSHUAZ and he's muscly as and stuff so he should be number -1 lol."

    This is the most quality list out, ALL of the lists (yes, including this) are flawed as there is limited data to provide a "perfect" list but this is the best effort I have seen to factor in all the variables. The more even fights made, the better the data will be. It's not the list makers fault that people dodge risky fights.
     
  2. NakiFan

    NakiFan Proud Kiwi Guy Full Member

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    In the immortal words of Mugatu- "He's so hot right now".
     
  3. Mexi-Box

    Mexi-Box Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Calculations don't work in boxing. It's been established by anyone with a brain.

    And no, it's not a quality list. If you want to argue Geale is a top 5 middleweight, go ahead and sound like a blubbering fool. Use some brain and some critical thought.
     
  4. Lith

    Lith Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I did offer critical thought and you clearly skimmed it and took what you wanted and answered accordingly... it probably doesn't really matter what I think or say. Reality is its not biased and it factors in all the data it has available to it to try and make fair assessments. It's always going to be flawed, unless you have a crystal ball you are always going to have a list which can be massively contradicted by something which happens in reality.

    If your expectations are higher than that or you value your own opinion is more accurate then you are a lot mistaken.
     
  5. FrancescoD

    FrancescoD Active Member Full Member

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    It is quality list. It is calculated purely on facts. It has been going since 1991 and used by odds-makers, TV companies, matchmakers and ALL the ABCs use it as their guide. It has been referred to as "The Bible" by many includng HBO. It will have flaws as it does not register a subjective opinion. I agree with you that Geale is too high, but his two losses are to very good company and he has good wins. The problem is the other fighters at middleweight just avoid each other. You have to factor those things. No one's top 10 or 100 is going to agree with everyone. I would be interested to see your top 10.
    Calculations in boxing work out in excess of 95% of the time. Usually they are 'out' simply because they do not factor the prospect on the way up.
     
  6. JSpar

    JSpar New Member Full Member

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    Can you explain why Stevenson is above Kovalev? Thanks
     
  7. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Is it based on current ranking of best fighter beat or when you beat them?

    Because if Fighter A beats Fighter B, B's ranking will usually drop which kind of penalizes the winner. And if Fighter A beat the No. 1 guy in the world and that guy later loses a few fights, it diminishes Fighter A's accomplishment at the time.
     
  8. FrancescoD

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    I think this is another case where if Stevenson fought Kovalev more likely Kovalev would win. The position is as it is because Hopkins (had a lot of points) Dawson beat him and then Stevenson beat Dawson. Tavoris Cloud was also in the picture and there was a pretty clear 1 - 5. Stevenson since has made good defences, and has remained champion for nearly 3 years. Kovalev has become a chmpion and made exceptional defences, he does not have the lineal title but the gap (points on our system) has narrowed and it is likely Kovalev will go past and become #1 after his next fight (depending on opponent). So this will will be one of the occasions where the lineage will pass outside of the ring and people will disagree with that of course.
     
  9. FrancescoD

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    Yes everything is based on the fighters value at the time of the fight. His pre-fight ranking and his points. If Fighter A beat fighter B and then fighter B goes on (within a time period) to beat a high ranked fighter, points are shared between A and B so fighter A's win means he is ahead of fighter B.
     
  10. Saintpat

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    Thanks Frankie!

    I'd say there is merit in looking at rankings a different way, as this does. There will always be debate about who deserves a higher ranking.

    Appreciate you posting these.
     
  11. FrancescoD

    FrancescoD Active Member Full Member

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    Looks like the list having Chagaev ranked 20th best heavyweight reflected how badly he has faded and was better than your opinion that Chagaev should be higher. Lucas Browne is really no world beater, but probably is a top 20/30 heavyweight.