Top 15 Heavyweights of all time?

Just curious how you have Louis in front of Ali ? While Ali has beaten 3 of your top 8 Heavyweights and including Norton beat 4 of the top 15 on your list while Louis beat no one in your top 15?

 

this requires a longer explanation, but putting Ali higher is ok and I can't be surprised about it. However, I want to write a few things in defense of Joe Louis, this does not exhaust the topic of course
1. Purely statistically, Joe has a better fight record, has more belt defenses, and probably has a better record against other HoFs than Ali (I have to make sure)
2. He won in a more dominant way, he had worse opponents but he was better by miles. From Schmelling 1 to Charles he was undefeated, that is, about 10 years and about 30 fights with all the top fighters at that time. Did he miss anyone during this time? Lem Franklin maybe? Either way, it's probably the greatest domination in history.
3. Ali - sorry - did not win against prime Frazier, prime Patterson, prime Liston, these are great victories over great rivals but... decorations and orders do not fight on the battlefield and, for example, the fight in Kinshasa gives me mixed feelings. In my opinion, he was a hair's breadth weaker in the trilogy with Norton and a hair's breadth better in the trilogy with Frazier. It's exactly the same level. Louis was much higher than Schmelling, Sharkey, Baer's, Lewis... To sum up - Ali won against better rivals in a historical sense, after hard fights, Louis destroyed the weaker ones in a more dominant way. It can't be done better.
4. Ali had a better-managed career.

 

Something like this... no actives included.

Ali
Louis
Lewis
Holmes
Foreman
Wlad Klitschko
Tyson
Liston
Sullivan
Frazier
Holyfield
Marciano
Dempsey
Johnson
Vitali Klitschko
Jeffries

 

Larry would choke you guys for rating him so low.

 

I'll go, rough/no sensical order.
Ali
Louis
Holmes
Lewis
Foreman
Frazier
Marciano
Tyson
Holyfield
Usyk
Dempsey
Liston
Wills
W Klit
Jeffries

 

The ****?

Most of the forum has him at #3.

 

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Holmes
4. Foreman
5. Liston
6. Lewis
7. Holyfield
8. Marciano
9. Frazier
10. Tyson
11. Wlad
12. Dempsey
13. Johnson
14. Usyk
15. Jefferies

My list is a combination of accomplishments, head to head, dominance, quality of opposition faced, longevity etc. Its impossible to quantify it and of course it is based in part on my gut feeling and personal bias.

 

I’ve got news for you this entire forum would be attacked by him so far, as not one person has put Holmes where the blow hard ranks himself - no. 1 all-time.