Top 15 middleweights of all time. Whats yours?

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Well..for the time being, I have decided to abandon the Corrie Sanders threads, since it upset a few Vitali fans. So I have decided to make better use of my time and put together a top 15 middleweight list of all time. Nothing like a good old friendly debate about a widely opinionated subject.


    H2h, Accomplishments, Historical Signifigance.


    1. Harry Greb
    2. Marvin Hagler
    3. Carlos Monzon
    4. Sugar Ray Robinson
    5. Bernard Hopkins
    6. Charley Burley
    7. Stanley Ketchel
    8. Dick Tiger- I love him
    9. Lloyd Marshall
    10. Jake Lamotta- I love him
    11. Holman Williams
    12. Mickey Walker
    13. Bob Fitzsimmons
    14. Roy Jones jr
    15. Marcel Cerdan

    HM: Eddie Booker, Freddie Steele, Ezzard Charles.

    What a deep weight class. I know I am leaving some names out. Honestly after my first 5... 6-15 can be pretty much arranged in any order. so much depth.
     
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  2. WhataRock

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    1. Harry Greb
    2. Carlos Monzon
    3. Marvin Hagler
    4. Ray Robinson
    5. Stanley Ketchel
    6. Bernard Hopkins
    7. Dick Tiger
    8. Bob Fitzsimmons
    9. Charley Burley
    10. Mickey Walker

    This is the 10 I put in for the alltime rankings project that Rumsfield is running..It was hastily put together but I probably wouldnt have it to much different...maybe bump Fitz up a bit.

    Dont know about the next 5..But ill try this one on for size.

    11. Freddie Steele
    12. Tiger Flowers
    13. Jake Lamotta
    14. Lloyd Marshall
    15. Holman Williams

    I rate Roy very highly H2H there...but his accomplishments just dont stack up for me.
     
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  3. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Great List.

    Where do you rate Jake Lamotta? Freakish Strength, Undentable Chin, Energizer Bunny Like Stamina combined with very slick cagey defense. He fought everybody and built up a very respectable win resume.

    Here is film of him in his prime

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0ptRgVF1uc[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZSJHlO5phA[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onb-p3YsQk8&feature=related[/ame]
     
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  4. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    I had him 13 there bruz...pretty amazing that a fighter like him cant make my 10 but it just shows how deep the division is historically.
     
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  5. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    O sry! Must have missed that! Great List! very similiar to mine. I love the Freddie Seele pick. What a puncher!
     
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  6. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Another guy who could easily make the list is Ezzard Charles. He twice easily beat Charley Burley
     
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  7. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I can't see Dick Tiger beating Jake Lamotta at their best..Tiger lost to many middleweights who Lamotta would have whipped at Jake's best...As to Tiger being too "strong" for Lamotta, nonsense ...Lamotta started out fighting tough L.H.s, and was not called the"BULL" for nothing...Freddie Steele, until he fracture his sternum,with Fred Apostoli. was almost unbeatable..I would rate him higher also...Great 2 hand puncher...
     
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  8. SuzieQ49

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    You like Steele over Cerdan?
     
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  9. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think thats a bit stern on Dick there burt.

    I cant see Jake walking through guys the quality of Griffith, Giardello or Archer...Tiger lost pretty close, sometimes disputed decisions to those guys and got his revenge over a couple aswell.

    Jake also dropped a few decisions at his best weight...and got a couple of gifts aswell.
     
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    Not sure how anyone can include Tiger and not Griffith.

    I can't believe no one has McCallum, Nunn and Toney on their lists. They have pretty impressive resumes and head to head skills

    I also wonder if Zale doesnt get a little underrated
     
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  11. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well I'm glad to see that Ketchel made it...:good
     
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    1 Carlos Monzon
    2 Marvin Hagler
    3 Harry Greb
    4 Sugar Ray Robinson
    5 Jake LaMotta
    6 Charley Burley
    7 Holman Williams
    8 Bernard Hopkins
    9 Mickey Walker
    10 Dick Tiger
    11 Stanley Ketchel
    12 James Toney
    13 Emile Griffith
    14 Tiger Flowers
    15 Tony Zale
     
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  13. bodhi

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    1. Greb, Monzon
    2. Robinson
    3. Hagler, Hopkins
    4. Fitzsimmons, Walker, Tiger
    5. Ryan
    6. Giardello, Griffith
    7. Burley, LaMotta
    8. Dempsey
    9. Zale, Cerdan
     
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  14. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you really? I stand to be proven corrected, but Ketchel to me looks overrated, both on film AND on paper.

    Can we honestly say he belongs on a middleweight list above the likes of Giardello, Fullmer, M. Gibbons, or heck even a Lausse or Rodriguez?
     
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  15. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm being harsh with the last couple of names there, but seriously, what makes Ketchel such a lock for middleweight top 10 lists?

    His wins against Philly Jack were impressive (though O'Brien was coming towards the end of a long career) and wins against Kelly, Papke and Sullivan are nice, but I think there are many middleweights that could boast as good a resume.
     
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