I'm actually doing a middleweight tournament elsewhere with 128 boxers (a few questionable picks to fill it up). I needed quite a lot of help and other sources to get a lot of the top middleweights. I know bits I've looked into, but there's still so much I've not enough that I never feel comfortable doing rankings.
15 - Jack Dempsey 14 - Bob Fitzsimmons 13 - Dick Tiger 12 - Freddie Steele 11 - Jake LaMotta 10 - Holman Williams 09 - Tommy Ryan 08 - Charley Burle 07 - Bernard Hopkins 06 - Mike Gibbons 05 - Stanley Ketchel 04 - Sugar Ray 03 - Marvin Hagler 02 - Carlos Monzon 01 - Harry Greb
Couple questions... Where is Ezzard Charles? Two head to head victories over a prime charley burley Also Lloyd Marshall? 2 Victories over the prime versions of your number 8 and number 11..both fights at 160
I'm uh, under the influence at the moment and all I can tell you is that you better have one Freddie Steele somewhere in that list. And that's all I've gotta say about that...
1 Greb 2 Ketchel 3 Monzon 4 Hagler 5 Robinson 6 Fitzsimmons 7 Langford 8 Walker 9 Burley 10 LaMotta 11 Hopkins 12 Steele 13 Tiger 14 T Ryan 15 H Williams
Head to head 1. Monzon 2. Greb 3. Robinson 4. Steele 5. Hagler 6. Roy Jones, Junior 7. Bernard Hopkins 8. GGG 9. Stanislaus Ketchel 10. Ezzard Charles 11. Mickey Walker 12. Charley Burley 14. Mike Gibbons 15. Holman Williams
And no Rodrigo Valdez? Languished in SA much like the Greatest King Carlos for years! If you'd brought them to the States (or into world class bouts) earlier??
Grab Monzon Hagler SRR Mike Gibbons Valdez GGG Hop Steele Burley Charles Lamotta Walker Giardello Ketchel
Freddie beat Ceferino Garcia, Vince Dundee, Gorilla Jones, Babe Risko, Solly Krieger, Gus Lesnevich, Ken Overlin, Fred Apostoli, Swede Berglund, Baby Joe Gans, all exceptional to great fighters with proven records. How does Hagler's depth of resume compare? 140 fights. 5 losses, 3 of which were at the very tail end of his career when he carried a significant injury.