Top 15 middleweights of all time

Which world ranked fighters did Papp beat?
Pender took two split decisions off of a 39 years old Robinson,he wouldn't have gone 10 rounds with a prime Sugar Ray. Pender lost against Fullmer and was dropped in the fight.
1955-02-14 : Gene Fullmer 156 lbs beat Paul Pender 159½ lbs by UD in round 10 of 10

• Location: Eastern Parkway Arena, Brooklyn, New York, USA
• Referee: Ray Miller 6-4
• The decision against Carter was clear cut ,I saw the fight.Giardello was too clever for him,no controversy there.

1964-12-14 : Joey Giardello 160 lbs beat Rubin Carter 158½ lbs by UD in round 15 of 15

• Location: Convention Hall, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
• Referee: Bob Polis 72-66
• Judge: Jim Mina 71-66
• Judge: Dave Beloff 70-67

Giardello has wins over Tiger,Mims,Hank,Robinson,Carter, and a draw with Fullmer,his resume shits all over Papp's .

 

As I said, judge how you want that's the whole point of following a subjective sport.

We'll see how his career plays out, if he ducks SD it isn't a good luck but let's see what occurs before getting too angry.

 

It's consistent performances against a slew of top ten ranked opposition.

Murray is not a Sergio left over, did you watch their fight?

He got a draw with Canelo but that doesn't mean his performance wasn't a world class one, it just means the judges didn't see what a vast majority saw.

Even if he loses to Ward Id say it's cos he's out of his weight class.

 

It was because of the Murray fight that most felt Sergio was slowing. He was always too small for SMW but even then you should probably watch the fight Abraham as well. Groves dominated him but by that point Murray was past his best and outside of his own weight class.

It's not always about dominating people. It's about showing your skill level against the best you can. Golovkin outboxed Canelo behind a solid jab and whilst he didn't stop Canelo, no one in history has done so to him neither. Still it's another performance on the ledger of Golovkin that points to how good he is for me.

 

Ward would not fight GGG at 160. He was also in-active at times.

Cotto and Martinez would not fight GGG at 160.

GGG was an avoided fighter! Even his over the tops critics would have to admit this

Canelo would not dare fight him until he aged and GGG won that fight clearly with Canelo likely being on something.

 

Super middle was not Roy Jones weight class when he moved up and fought James Toney.

Heavyweight was not Mike Spinks weight class when he moved up and fought Larry Holmes.

154/152 was not Mayweathers weight class when he moved up and fought Hoya and the same Canelo GGG was unable to beat.

175 wasn't Ward weight class when he moved up and fought Kovalev twice.

Thats the reason why they are ATG fighters and Golovkin isn't.

 

He didn't beat Canlo anywhere as convincingly as Mayweather did. Golovkin knew , as did everybody , that he needed to beat Canelo up or stop him if he wanted to get the win. He wasn't good enough to do it and focused too much on not taking hits than giving hits.
His performance against a guy he held many advantages over was not one of an ATG in my book. While Canelo didn't win , there's a solid argument he won the first 3 and the last 3 rounds , which is why it was ruled a draw. For my money , neither guy looked any better than the other.

 

Golovkin is a very very good middleweight who could hold his own with anyone the division has produced but he won't go down as a great one imo, reason, no defining wins.
I was disappointed to learn of Canelo's drugs test and would have been inclined to bet on him in a rematch though I thought he lost their fight.He is still "coming",GGG is "going "imo.
Golovkin is a much more complete fighter than Kovalev, good at mid range good up close ,with excellent footwork and chin to add to his tremendous power,he also has a fine variety of punches and knows when to throw,not wasting much. Kovalev is just a long puncher with porous defence and I don't think his ticker is too big.

 

If we're not talking about GGG in an ATG context , then he's clearly a highly skilled technical boxer. He'd batter guys to a certain level day in / day out , but I believe fast powerful guys with athletic movement would could completely shut his operation down. Canelo tamed his offence and he's a non-middle with a soft punch.
Welter weight Saddam Ali hurt Cotto worse than Canelo did.
GGG is also a pretty east guy to get to , whereas Kovalev is an extremely hard guy to get to. It took Ward an unbelievable amount of concentration and mental focus to find a way through Kovalevs blast radius and Ward already had probably had the best footwork and movement in boxing at the time. Wards movement around the ring was masterful against Kovalev and in general really. Nobody around those weights can move like that which is why Krusher is back living up to his name in his last two fights. Imo Kovalev would be a lot harder to beat than Golokin by smw/lhw

 

This is a MW thread mate. But yes they are all great fighters as well.

 

He isn't anywhere as near a great fighter as Mayweather is neither. Never mind beating someone up or stopping them, his performance was solid enough were the majority of observers felt he deserved the fight. It was close, but it should have been a W for him in my book.

 

Even Eubank Jr can go from MW to SMW. GGG chose not to because he wanted to keep his size advantage over his opponents. He who dares wins at the end of the day in'it.

 

Sometimes he who dares loses as well tbh. Either way we cut it Golovkin is still ranked where I rank him and ranked where you rank him.

Always fun to discuss these things though.