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Top 15 middleweights of all time

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by SuzieQ49, Apr 5, 2018.



  1. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    34 isn't old for a boxer; maybe made Pender him to retire, but they were not much different in age (Basilo won shortly before the Middleweight crown). Robinson continued to box for another 4 - 5 years, perhaps longer than Pender.

    Pender was lineal champion and it by the NYSAC (& NBA), but it wasn't as far as I know about Tiger, but Fullmer, who competed for the vacant title (NBA).

    Whatsoever Papp didn't need a second or third fight to win against Jones and Müller (who won twice vs. Giardello), while Giardello lost at any point during his career against average boxers (he had no long winning streak), not only when he was past his best, but also before he earned a title already.

    When Robinson lost against Jones, he became later several times world champion again; he defeated after that Olson, Turpin, Basilo and Fullmer among others. So he seemed to have left a lot (was not over the hill) at the time of the Jones defeat.

    Lesnevich and Risko were light-heavyweights, Overlin and Apostoli were fringe-contenders (maybe Dundee barely too), the rest is not worth to mention. Papp defeated at least 6 of these category, as I have proven several times.
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As usual you fail to grasp the fundamental points.Basilio was a ring worn veteran having his 83rd fight his style meant he took a lot more punishment than the cautious boxer Pender who only had 48 fights in his career . Pender was stripped for not defending against Tiger.

    Nov 9 -Pender was stripped of the Middleweight Championship by the New York Commission;
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    Papp never beat a world ranked opponent.
    Robinson was having his third fight after a two years retirement when Jones surprised him.I never said he was over the hill but he was ring rusty.He obviously improved and regained his form as he got more rounds under his belt. Lesnevich and Risko were both middleweights when they fought Steele,both were ranked in the top ten at the weight at various times in their career. Basilio was a welterweight coming up when he fought Pender.
    Overlin and Apostoli were both middleweight champions! Vince Dundee was a very good middleweight about whom you obviously know nothing! Apostoli was no2 in36,no1 in37,no 1 in38, that is not fringe!
    Dundee was no6 in30,no3 in31,no 2 in32 that is not fringe!
     
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  3. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    Yeah you rewrite history as usual; Robinson had two fight previous, as youself pointed out, won, so he was hardly that rusty. Basilo dethroned Robinson before and became world champion at Middleweight, then he fought Pender (about 5 years after moving up from Welterweight. To name him coming up, while competing several year and be used at that weight-class, is like to name Roy Jones Jr. a blown up middleweight. His wins over Robinson are comparable with Collins over Eubanks or Taylor against Hopkins; as who was still top 10, if not even top 5 in the division.

    Lesnevich and Risko were never really relevant at Middleweight. But I named you at least a half dozen world class opponent of Papp and teached you a year ago about them, so it is hardly my problem when you can't save it in your memory (as I mentioned these few days ago too).

    Basilo had more achieved at Middleweight than any Overlin, Apostoli or let alone (Crocodie) Dundee.
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Name these world class men Papp beat? In a total of 29 fights what was his best win?
    Apostoli is a top 25 middleweight, your problem is the extent of your info is what you glean from Box rec calling Overlin Apostoli and Dundee fringe contenders is the height of ignorance.
    I've had 3 pm's in the last month saying you are a complete nut case and advising I put you on ignore,I'm beginning to agree with them.
     
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    I don't even know where to go with this.
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would suggest hitting the ignore button!
     
  7. Ra's Al-Ghul

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    I won't repeat myself for the tenth time, as everybody who is able to read, apart of you, has noticed (know) it.
    A hint: Few of these have defeated Giardello (partly Robinson too), another victim became later undisputed Light-Heavyweight world champion and has only one defeat at Middleweight (afterwards), 1 - 2 of them were Brits.

    It is clear that I meant they would be today possible fringe-contenders only; arguable was Geale better than Dundee and maybe Apostoli.

    This shows how ridiculous you are: I barely wrote here anything in the last month, while some other users have here published and maintained in different subjects, that you are an internet-troll and they have you already a long time on their ingnore-lists. Go on till you will be banned again (soon)!:thumbsup::buenrollo:
     
  8. mcvey

    mcvey Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cretin