Top 15 middleweights of all time

Yes, which ones Suzie? The truth is other middles avoided Golovkin.

 

Neither do I. SuzieQ can explain it. I posted many cards

 

If your saying Golovkin was 33 for Canelo you might want to recheck his age. The truth is GGG fought Canelo at and age when Hagler and Monzon was retired. Try 35.

A draw Klompton? Do you realize GGG outlanded Canelo in 10 rounds???

Has the anti European agenda reached the middleweight with division?

 

Oh, boy! Dino has finally found somebody to replace Wlad as the focus of his hate! What a relief. When Wlad retired his brief moment of joy was replaced with a dank, dark depression remeniscent of the basement he lives in.

In reality 85% of people that have been polled had Golovkin winning. It's a clear win, defended by the last few (embarrassed) Canelo fanboys and a few GGG haters as a draw.

Relevance? None. Other than the fact that Sturm ducked GGG for years.

Except for that he threw many more punches, landed more punches and chased El Pollo all over the ring until our ginger biscuit practically had his tongue hanging out from exhaustion.

Golovkin handed a boxing lesson to the supposed "boxer" in Canelo, who simply had no answer to Golovkin's jab or his workrate. Saul looked good in 30 seconds of each round when he somehow marshalled his forces for a counter attack ... and then he was back on his bicycle again, trying to escape the relentless GGG.

Throughtout those 12 rounds Canelo landed even less on GGG and this is backed up by the official stats that had GGG outlanding him in 10 / 12 rounds.

Now consider that Dino is scraping the barrel when it comes to his bull**** and fakery. He happens to gloss over the fact - FACT - that Canelo's previous fight had been at 164lb, heavier than GGG has ever fought. Canelo was in fact the bigger, heavier fighter. Consider that Golovkin is well past his prime, and old for a fighter. Consider that Canelo was likely roided to the eyeballs with clenbuterol, and therefore a dirty cheater. Consider that Dino ignores all of this and tilts his taped-together broomstick masquerading as a lance at yet another windmill.

More Dino hyperbole and lies. The level of Golovkin's opposition is easily measurable by looking at how easily he handled Murray, who gave Sturm and Martinez all they could handle. For one example.

You never watched the fight, did you?

^ Opinion. MW is one of the best divisions right now.

 

Lists. Done on the basis of how each did in his own time.

First list--career achievement including record against bigger men. I do not credit being a top welter on this list as it is a smaller weight class.

I will rate 14. You fellows who know more about him can put Hopkins where you want.

1----Bob Fitzsimmons (not only retired as middle champion, but won the heavyweight title. A champion in one weight class or another from 1891 to 1905, plus from 1890 to 1905 beaten legitimately only by the huge Jim Jeffries.)
2----Harry Greb (best overall resume, including bigger men like Tunney. Lost more than Fitz)
3----Mickey Walker (almost a triple champion, losing close challenges for the light-heavy title and beating some good heavies, as well as drawing with heavy champion Sharkey)
4----Carlos Monzon
5----Marvin Hagler
6----Sugar Ray Robinson (if he had survived to beat Maxim, might have moved up a place or possibly two)
7----D-ck Tiger (in and out at middle, but won light-heavy crown)
8----Teddy Yarosz (will not make the middles only list, but did extremely well against bigger men, beating Conn, Moore, Marshall, Gainer, etc., and beat 10 world champions)
9----Tommy Ryan
10---Jake LaMotta (fought a lot of bigger men, but also lost quite a bit to them)
11---Freddie Steele (short but explosive career)
12---Marcel Thil (a close look at his record shows a guy beating a lot of top men in the 1930's. Those victories on fouls pull him down a bit for me.)
13---Gene Fullmer
14---Nino Benvenuti

Second list--achievement only at middle. Again I do not credit being a top welterweight for the middle ratings. And you guys put Hopkins where you think he belongs.

1----Carlos Monzon (never close to losing in 15 title fights against the top men of his time)
2----Marvin Hagler (almost as dominant as Monzon. I just see him falling a tad short of Carlos)
3----Tommy Ryan (has great won-lost record and long unbroken reign)
4----Sugar Ray Robinson (greatest welter & p4p ever, but rather in and out at middle. Very stylish, but I think he might have lacked physical strength when dealing with middles)
5----Harry Greb
6----Freddie Steele (short career, but an explosive fighter)
7----Marcel Thil
8----Gene Fullmer (very consistent at middle)
9----Jake LaMotta (quite a few losses drop him a few notches)
10---Bob Fitzsimmons (didn't defend the title that much)
11---Nino Benvenuti (had a solid career until Monzon)
12---Mickey Walker (was champion quite a while, but lost to Greb, also with few agreeing with his title winning decision over Flowers, and generally unimposing fights at middle)
13---D-ck Tiger (beat Fullmer and split with Giardello. Looked better than this rating at times, but losses to the likes of Wilfie Greaves and Joey Archer balances the scales downward some)
14---Joey Giardello (was near the top of the division for a very long time, with a lot of wins over fairly good men, and beat Tiger twice, but a lot of losses also)

Wild card--Lloyd Marshall (beat Charles, Burley, Moore, and LaMotta, but how often did he make the middleweight limit)
Overrated--Stanley Ketchel
Did not do enough at middle to rate. Better at higher weights--Charles, Moore, Conn
Too incomplete to rate--Marcel Cerdan
Hard to tell because of WWII effect on reducing competition--Holman Williams, Burley, and the other "Murderer's Row" gang.

 

Greatness in posting! Great post.

 

1 Bob Fitzsimmons
2. Carlos Monzon
3. Harry Greb
3. Stanley Ketchel
5. Mickey Walker
6. Sugar Ray Robinson
7. Tommy Ryan
8. Marcel Cerdan
9. Jake LaMotta
10. Jack Dempsey
11. Ezzard Charles
12. Marvelous Marvin Hagler
13. George Abrams
14. Zale
15. GGG

 

Greb, walker. Robinson, langford, cerdan ,, burly, steele, monzon, gibbons, lamotta, hagle r were the best ever in order. Forgot about fitz...he's number 4...

 

1. Stanley Ketchel
2. Rocky Graziano
3. Frank Fletcher
4. Harry Greb
5. Bob Fitzsimmons
6. Jake LaMotta/Mickey Walker
7. Baaaaad Bennie Briscoe
8. Billy Papke
9. Jorge Castro
10. Mustafa Hamsho
11. Juan Domingo Roldan
12. Ace Hudkins
13. Ceferino Garcia
14. Eugene "Cyclone" Hart
15. Vito Antuofermo
15 VERY EXCITING MIDDLEWEIGHTS TO WATCH FIGHT!!##!!!!!!!

 

Don't quite get the Fitzsimmons love. His resume at middleweight isn't spectacularly deep to say the least. Are we extrapolating backwards from his achievements above 160?

 

Hagler
Burley
Golovkin
Monzon
Hopkins
Greb
Gibbons
Toney
Fitzsimmons
Tiger

 

What makes you rank GGG over Hopkins m8?

 

I think he'd beat him.

 

If this is directed at me, I made two different lists. Fitz was #1 on overall career which does take into account victories over bigger men. He is, after all, I think the only middleweight champion who was also heavyweight champion.

My second list which was restricted to what the fighters achieved only at middle, rated him #10 precisely because he didn't accomplish enough at middle to rank higher.

*I did filter out men in the career list who I felt didn't do enough at middle to qualify before they moved up and were successful at higher weights--guys like Moore and Conn.

 

K... I think the Jacobs and Canelo fights proves he wouldn't have beaten a MW Hopkins. And there's also the fact he wanted no part of Andre Ward which tells you he knew that style would have been all wrong for him.