Top 20 Greatest Wins in Boxing

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  1. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    Honeyghan beating Curry was a big shock at the time.
     
  2. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronson Full Member

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    Tony Canzoneri's win over Kid Chocolate is definitely up there.

    I think Pancho Villa's win over Jimmy Wilde could also be considered.
     
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  3. Jel

    Jel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No doubt I've missed some obvious ones but here's mine in chronological order and with some additional honourable mentions:

    1910 - Johnson TKO15 Jeffries
    1922 - Greb W15 Tunney
    1938 - Armstrong W15 Ross
    1938 - Armstrong W15 Ambers
    1948 - Charles KO8 Moore
    1948 - Saddler W15 Pep
    1949 - Pep W15 Saddler
    1949 - Robinson W15 Gavilan
    1951 - Turpin W15 Robinson
    1964 - Ali TKO7 Liston
    1965 - Harada W15 Jofre
    1971 - Frazier W15 Ali
    1976 - Benitez W15 Cervantes
    1980 - Duran W15 Leonard
    1981 - Sanchez KO8 Gomez
    1981 - Leonard TKO14 Hearns
    1985 - Hagler KO3 Hearns
    1987 - Leonard W12 Hagler
    1990 - Douglas KO10 Tyson
    1993 - Carbajal KO7 Gonzalez

    Some other contenders:
    1925 - Greb W15 Walker
    1936 - Schmeling KO12 Louis
    1938 - Louis KO1 Schmeling
    1939 - Ambers W15 Armstrong
    1941 - Louis KO13 Conn
    1951 - Robinson TKO13 LaMotta
    1968 - Foster KO4 Tiger
    1973 - Foreman KO2 Frazier
    1977 - Zarate KO4 Zamora
    1978 - Gomez KO5 Zarate
    1996 - Holyfield TKO11 Tyson
     
  4. Jel

    Jel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Speaking of missing obvious ones...
    1974 - Ali KO8 Foreman

    It was so obvious I missed it off both lists!
     
  5. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti The Ad Wolgast of Googling Stuff Full Member

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    Neat list. I'd suggest Turpin beating Robinson as one, Fitz beating Corbett, Langford beating Wills, Burley beating Moore, Lloyd Marshal beating Ezzard Charles, Frazier beating Ali, Ezzard beating Louis, Wilde beating Pal Moore, McGovern beating Frank Erne. Not saying they are locks or anything, just some I'd seriously consider
     
  6. Blaxx

    Blaxx New Member Full Member

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    Good list.
    I wasn't really understanding La Motta's win over Robinson being in some lists. A good win but not one of the 20 best, IMO. Even without the 16lb weight difference. Turpin's win was impressive. Good mention of the Benitez - Cervantes win, don't think it had been mentioned before.
    I'd add Charles-Burley to your contenders list. And perhaps Langford-Gans
     
  7. Knights107

    Knights107 Member Full Member

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    No order

    Greb vs tunney
    Tunney vs dempsey
    Ali vs foreman
    Schmeling vs louis
    Louis vs baer
    Ali vs liston
    La motta vs Robinson
    Leonard vs hagler
    Joe maxim vs robinson
    Charles vs moorer
    Frazier vs ali
    Hagler vs hearns
    Duran vs leonard
    Holyfield vs Tyson
    Foreman vs Moore
    Lewis vs vitaly
    Bowe vs holyfield
    Joshua vs klitscho
    Jones vs ruiz
    Tarver vs jones
     
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  8. Jel

    Jel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    To be fair @ChrisJS mentioned Benitez-Cervantes. Couldn't argue with that choice!
     
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  9. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Active Member Full Member

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    I think if you are going to include Arguello-Olivares then you’ve got to include Herrera-Olivares I. Olivares was a much better fighter at bantamweight, in his prime and Herrera was far more dominant than Arguello. Perhaps even Hafey-Olivares I too. Not taking a dump on the Arguello-Olivares choice by any means as it was a great win.
     
  10. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    What about Willard vs. Johnson, Barrera over Hamed or Marciano against Walcott? Just as Johansson stopping Patterson and Forrest vs. Mosley I.
     
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  11. Seamus

    Seamus Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not so much into the calling an old champ being beaten by a fresher challenger one of the greatest victories... See: Corbett v Sullivan, Willard v Johnson, Dempsey v Willard, Marciano v Louis, Tarver v Jones... etc. Those seem more like inevitabilities.
     
  12. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Armstrong is always given way too much credit for the Garcia draw (and the Ambers loss). A couple of things about this fight. It wasnt the clear robbery its made out to be (neither of those fights were). There were, apparently, vocal and passionate arguments on both sides, some feeling that Armstrong won and others feeling Garcia won. Furthermore, it was duly noted by many observers that Armstrong, much like he did against Ambers, fouled continually throughout the fight. He was warned twice and had two rounds taken away on fouls. In a ten round fight thats a big detriment. Armstong is often given loads of credit for his aggression in these fights but his headbutts, elbows, low blows, shoving, etc are often overlooked and often, I believe, scored. They certainly helped him in keeping these bigger fighters under control which should have been taken into account then and now. It was in the Ambers fight at least and everyone always acts as if that was a robbery. It wasnt in. If the law in New York had been different, allowing for DQs Armstrong would have certainly been either DQd or forced to fight a different fight. Finally, while its often said that had Armstrong won this fight (Garcia) he would have held four of the eight titles thats not entirely true. First and foremost the MW title was fractured at this time and Garcia was only recognized as champion in two states. In fact California only recognized him shortly before this fight in order to ad some luster to the promotion. NY recognized Garcia as champion but they didnt recognize this fight as a title fight. As for having four of the 8 titles Armstrong had already relinquished the FW title by this point and lost the LW title to Ambers. Indeed he would have lost the WW title to Ambers as well but in order for Ambers to get his rematch he was forced to sign a contract saying that even though both fighters were under the WW limit Armstrong's WW title would not be at stake. So had Armstrong won this fight he would have only been recognized as champion in California and that would have been viewed with a lot of skepticism given that it was only a ten rounder, the title was in dispute, and California had only jumped on that band wagon at a late date. Finally, a little more bloom comes off the rose when you understand that Garcia, while having some tenuous claim to the MW title was really only a welterweight who had puffed himself up to a small middleweight because he had been unable to take Armstrong's WW title in their initial meeting. So I wouldnt put that fight anywhere near the top of a greatest wins in history list.
     
  13. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Has there been a better win at HW since ? Id say not.
     
  14. red cobra

    red cobra Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thanks
     
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  15. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Active Member Full Member

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    Foreman v Moorer w out a doubt!
    Dempsey v Willard
    Louis KO v Schmeling
    Marciano v Walcott 1
    Patterson v Ingo 2
    Are just a few I’d add.
     

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