Top 20 H2H heavyweights in history?

What a load.

Lewis had Manny, just like Wlad did.

Wlad fought all over the world, including Sasha's backyard in Moscow, Wembley, AC, Taj Mahal, MSG... The fact is that RTL was giving him $4M as a base just to show up in Germany, before other earnings were factored.

Peter was seen as the most dangerous heavy in boxing at the time. He was the boogeyman of the division. Tua was 20 lbs overweight and trying to fight irrelevance.

TEN YEARS OF DOMINANCE. 8% of MDQ heavyweight history at the time he finally lost to Fury.

GOAT.

 

HatmanStrikesBack is a good channel tbf.

 

Eddie Chambers had far less trouble with Peter than Wlad did.
Vitali didn't take one single hit from Peter. Beat him embarrassingly easy.

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Theres your Billy GOAT LOL

 

Certainly not when they fought the fights we mention.
Was Peter better than Tua? I don't know. He was a champion, David wasn't. But the energetic Peter 2005 was definitely better than the lazy Tua 2000, and more importantly, he had a much better style than a tall outfighter who only used the clinch at close range.
Yes, he was a caveman. Sometimes that's an advantage. Boxing isn't figure skating. You can fight ugly and be effective. Peter was like that. For a very short time, he exhausted himself quickly, but in that short period, right when he fought Wlad, he was incredibly dangerous. Especially for Wlad, who was changing his style. And he would have been the same for Lewis; certainly much better than Tua 2000, which doesn't mean Lewis wouldn't have won. But he did break his teeth on less hard nuts.

 

Absolutely not. Lewis would box Peters face off. He might even drop him like McCline did. He wouldn't be as difficult as Mercer, no way. Peter was very strong and powerful but Lewis at his best was just too complete

You say Tua wasn't in his best form but i would say neither was Lewis in that Rahman fight

 

I think its easy to find and subsequently make excuses for fighters, but surely if we are making an ATG list, particularly an H2H one we must apply the 100/100 rule. The fighters are 100% of their best for 100% of any fight. Sure, this does bring some hypotheticals into our calculations, but without hypotheticals, or educated piecework, where is the fun? I love these debates. For what it's worth I reckon Tyson, Tua and Holyfield were likely Lewis most dangerous opponents but none of them turned up...but Lewis didn't know that when he signed, did he. He still best them all, although I'll always contend Holyfield 1 was much closer than many made and the second fight, ooh, was that a sympathy result...could have been a draw or gone either way. Tua caught Lewis with a few big shots but pretty much shelled up. But bottom line, Lewis beat a hellacious trinity there....

 

Of course, no boxer is in top form all the time. That's where the misunderstandings come from. We never know for sure. Add to that the sheer chance. Michael Jorda didn't always score 40 points in a match either.
Peter took a very hard punch from Klitschko in the 12th round, and then McCline hit him very hard. In my opinion, after those fights, Sam was getting worse.
McCline would also be a tough opponent for Lewis. Tougher than Bruno and Briggs, and they had their moments with Lennox.
It's a tough bet. In my opinion, the careers of Lewis and Wlad are comparable; both are great, although not as great in reality as their resumes. For me, Wlad was better but a bit underrated, and Lennox was the opposite. But as I said, both are excellent.

 

He didn't exactly box the face off McCall who about the most basic ***** boxer in the history of the division.

 

Lewis would obliterate McCline lmfao Wtf ? He is too slow and gets hit too much nor is he as skilled as Bruno. You say Lewis was an excellent operator but the fact that you think McCline and Peter would give Lewis a hard fight would suggest the exact opposite.

 

McCall is better than Peter and Brewster off resume even excluding the Lewis win. McCall was also more durable than Peter, he'd probably be top 5 in the Klitschko era

 

Lewis couldn't crush the skinny and sick Mavrović. He had a huge problem with Briggs until Cannon started losing to asthma, but you're convinced he would have crushed McCline. Of course, he could have hit him, but it could have been the other way around. McCline is a fast starter. He was much better than Briggs and more dangerous at first.

 

I tend to think certain Lewis opponents get overrated because Lewis struggled to varying degrees with them. Specifically Mercer and Briggs. Neither guy had good stamina, they both were fairly slow and quite basic. Mercer lost to an ancient Larry Holmes, lost to Jesse Ferguson, got a gift draw against Marion Wilson. In my opinion I thought old Witherspoon beat him. But it was close, and as for Briggs he’s was the most overrated heavyweight of the 90s. He got flattened on his first step up fight on night of the young heavyweights, got gifted a win over a 47 year old Foreman. Also I thought Botha deserved the nod in their draw. Outside of his dramatic last second win over Liahkovich his resume is brutal.
Sam Peter was better than both of them. More crude absolutely, but so was George Foreman in his day. He was the boogeyman when Wlad faced him and was the favorite if memory serves. Wlad faced a young undefeated mountain in that bout, and after Peter took the L, he went on in very next fights to beat Toney 2x, once debatable and once definitively, knock out Oleg Maskaev and beat Jameel Mcline. That’s a very good post title shot run. Then he fought Vitali and went downhill.

 

Hell, what about the Klischko vs Fury fight? Equally bad. I couldn't stand the way Klitschko hit and grabbed but have we forgotten how Ali throughout his career would hold down the head of his opponent constantly?

 

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Because smaller fighters can't be physically strong right ? Smaller fighters can't have iron chins right ? Lewis has manhandled bigger fighters than Mavrovic get that BS out of here. Wouldn't put it past Mavrovic to beat McCline he was more skilled and unbeaten before he fought Lewis

Lewis picked Briggs apart before he even started gassing. Briggs hits harder than McCline and is also much faster. McCline is better than Briggs he's not exactly more dangerous, McCline wasn't a huge puncher he was just a big man with heavy hands like Grant and Lewis has dominated better fighters than McCline. You hated this dudes guts ever since he beat Mike Tyson, let it go