Top 20 heavyweight of all time

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Yes, it says at the start of the video soft lad:yep

 

Good vid as said before im not sure if its calculated on H2H or achievements, disagree with some of the choices but nothing too majorly.

Just makes you think what we are missing out on atm with the current lacklustre HWs

 

Its always a good case for Ali being number 1 when he went 5-1 against 3 other fighters in the top 10.

edit: Sorry 5-2, I forgot Holmes but that counts for nothing given the circumstances.

 

That's what pushes Ali just above Louis IMO. The Holy trinity of Liston, Frazier and Foreman are no.1 calibre wins. And that's without the likes of Quarry, Bonavena, Ellis, Shavers, Lyle, Chuvalo etc etc

 

Alis "grade 2" wins are better than some of the other guys on that list best wins.

Have you read some of the YouTube comments Flea? One guy has Frazier as #1 ATG, Frazier was a great fighter but he has 2 loses to Ali, 2 to Foreman and a very good but not great title reign. theres no logical way you can put him at number 1 no matter what criteria you use.

 

Impossible. In terms of attributes he was ferocious and dynamic but essentially one-handed. Foreman is high on my list due to his win over Frazier, not many would tear through him like that IMO.

Fraziers resume isn't that deep, but being the first man to beat Ali sure carries some weight, especially with how good that fight is (I prefer the first to Manila, both men in great form, still a war, and Alis red shorts, what a fight) and how Frazier wins it clearly but close, dropping Ali late as well.

Anywhere between 6-10 is fair IMO.

Foreman scores for the freakisness of his '2nd career', where he demonstrated immense toughness (Stewart, Holyfield) fought/beat a mad variety of contenders, and bounced back from being outmanouvered by Morrison to defeat a guy who had performed well at two weights and who was essentially the linear champion by means of his win over Holy (no matter what you think of the circumstances) and Foreman did the unthinkable.

The only logical #1 and #2 are Ali and Louis, it's how you rank their respective reigns (Louis also lost a couple of years due to a war, let's not forget) and how they performed against said opposition.

I can see both cases, and can pretty much argue with myself til I'm blue in the face! But the Holy Trinity of wins is usually what I do to distinguish the pair.

A fight between the two is intriguing as well IMO :yep

 

TBH though Flea, if there wasn't a war I don't see it helping Louis out, there just wasn't the opposition around to put him above Ali.

I think Frazier does get a little too little credit for his wins before Ali, not a great reign but pretty solid. Liston is the guy I have bouncing all over my top HWs list, its a really tough career to call IMHO.

 

Liston is definitely the hardest to assess.

 

Modern training techniques.

There you go... that should keep this thread going for another 10 pages or so.

 

I'm off out for a pint....:hi:

 

I always end up having Marciano higher than most. It seems fashionable to put him at the back end of a top 10 at times and I see peoples logic but I'll never agree on that. He should find his rightful place around 5 or 6 IMO. I think some of his wins are discredited when they're very good.

 

I think Charles and Moore where both at the peak of their technical powers when The Rock beat 'em, LaStarza was a top contender and Walcott a very slick and hard-punching opponent indeed. Tunney is the only person shy of 190 I could see beating Marciano, though that is a pick 'em as well.

Still, latte half of the top ten is fair IMO. Not enogh longevity at the top IMO. Louis is not a particularly good win considering where he was at that stage.

I'm not gonna get started on how that Dempsey would most likely smash today's guys to bits, I've been through it enough times before. The smaller gloves alone lend pugilism a different quality upon application, not necessarily an inferior one.

 

Yeah but thats youtube. They rival IMDB posters in the stupidity stakes.