Top 20 Heavyweight Resumes: Scoring System

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  1. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Inspired by Reznick's thread on heavyweights.

    I decided to get a consensus on rating Heavyweights in order based on their resume. While 1 Great Win may score high depth will win the day.

    Rank fighters based on a scoring system:

    Beating an ATG in their prime or close to it = 5 points
    Beating the Lineal Heavyweight Champion = 4 points
    Beating a Current Alphabet Champion/Former Lineal Champ/Top 5 Contender = 3 points
    Beating a Former Alphabet Champion/Top 10 Contender = 2 points
    Beating a Ranked Fighter = 1 point

    This should add perspective, Lets they how they add up.
     
  2. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    After Heavyweights we'll work our way down using only the original 8 weight classes.
     
  3. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And who decides who is an atg and who isn´t?
     
  4. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Consensus ATG fighters,

    Use discretion, after all this is the classic forum.

    You can't make Jerry Quarry a ATG fighter.

    But Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, George Foreman, Gene Tunney, etc are ATG fighters. Use your discretion and we'll go from there.
     
  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Jack Sharkey would do well here!
     
  6. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What about Jack SHarkey? Max Baer? Sam McvEy? Joe Jeanette? Tommy Burns? Ken Norton? You see there is plenty to argue and despite you trying to make it objective, it´s still subjective because there is no objective way to determine greatness.

    Another point, in the past it was as hard or even harder to become European or Commonwealth champion as it is today to become an alphabet champ. How are those titles and those beaten champs to count?

    Who decides who was ranked and who not? There were no rankings in the late 19th/early 20th century.
     
  7. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Care to take a crack at it Janitor?
     
  8. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Use your best guess, its really a judgement call on your behalf.

    Sharkey, Bear, McVey, Jeanette, Burns and Norton are Great fighters.

    If they fought an lost to another fighter in their prime; the victor claims the scalp at 5.

    Past prime, not so much.
     
  9. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I can give it a shot.

    We might get some odd results, which is perhaps what you are looking forward to!
     
  10. Kalasinn

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    One problem with the scoring is that beating a high quality ranked contender (e.g Mercer, Terrell, Ruddock) yields the same points as a pathetic bum (e.g Vitali's awful title challengers) .

    Also Wlad would gain a lot of points for beating horrible alphabet title holders Peter & Brewster.
     
  11. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    The system basicaly assumes parity between all eras.

    While this is almost certainly misleading, it sticks within our data set e.g fights that have happened.
     
  12. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    I just believe that the Klits will get too much credit, considering their poor quality of opposition.
     
  13. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    No they won't.

    Even on that basis they will be kept in their place.
     
  14. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Vitali gets too much credit, Wladimir gets too little.

    Even when people pull out their lists, the two seem automatically placed side by side.

    Why?

    One is a borderline great fighter, and the other is Frank Bruno level at best.
     
  15. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    That will certainly be reflected in the scoring.

    Wlad will come out high, and Vitally will not.