Where would you rate a guy like Hearns, who tho he barely fought there beat both Andiries and Hill at their best. Your number 15 and 29.
I have Hearns at #39; But I would say Hill and Andries (in particular) would become better fighters for be being schooled by the Motor City Cobra.
I try to list 20 names. It seems like you could make a very good case for anyone in the top 6 being #1 at light heavyweight. This is intersting as it is not the case at middle, heavy, welter, ect... Here would be my top 20 since 1903 of fighters who could have fought at 175: 1. Tunney 2. Langford 3. Fitzsimmons 4. Chalres 5. Spinks 6. Moore 7. Foster 8. Greb 9. R Jones 10. Loughran 11. R. Jones 12. H. Johnson 13. T. Gibbons 14. Conn 15. Philly Jack O'Brien 16. Rosenbloom 17. Bivins 18. John Henry Lewis 19. J. Dillion 20. Michalczewski
Michalczewski! Over Delaney,Berlenbach,Slattery,Maxim,Fox. Roy is doing well ,I see he gets two votes. OBrien was kod twice by a middleweight ,fought several fixed fights ,had no power,and ran like a thief,yet he is above Dillon? And you talk about objectivity!
Top 20 with a difference. Below is my top 20 but with a difference, its extracted from my top 200 HW's. Tunney would be no.1 but i dont consider him a l/h. Roy Jones had only one fight at HW so i didnt consider him. fitz langford charles moore spinks burns gibbons bivins norfolk greb mccoy clarke choynski conn loughran o'brien johnson dillon childs root
Interesting pick. I think Childs could be regarded as a pound for pound great. Perhaps the equal of a Jack Dillon.
..I'm assuming that those who don't have Ezzard Charles on their lists is because the are considering him as a heavyweight. Fair enough. I'm assuming that the one who rated him ninth had defieciency of oxygen to his brain when he was born.
1. Ezzard Charles 2. Archie Moore 3. Gene Tunney 4. Sam Langford 5. Bob Foster 6. Michael Spinks 7. Billy Conn 8. Tommy Loughran 9. Roy Jones Jr (he here more head to head and performances rather then wins) 10. Harold Johnson
McVey, You are truly a wonder. After all O'Brien as a light heavyweight got the better of your #2 all time heavyweight! And if that isn't enough, he defeated Choynski, who KO'd your #2 all time heavyweight. O'brein fought many top fighters. He defeated Blackburn, Ko'd Kaufman ( something Johnson could not do ), beat Morris Hall, Young Peter Jackson, Tommy Burns, and older but still dangerous Fitzsimmons, Joe Walcott,Black Bill, Peter Maher and a few others. I think he has quite a resume, don't you? As for Dillon, I never saw him on film, and in my opinion his resume isn't as good as O'Brien's, which is why I have him just a few slots lower. Michalczewski was an un-defeated 48-0 lineal champion who made 20+ title defenses in a row. He was very tough, could punch and would not be an easy out for any man on the list. Stop and think before you " try " to call me out. You're only going to step on a rake. Having said that here's your chance to be objective, and give O'Brien some due.....considering he did as well or better than heavyweight Jack Johnson head to head and vs many of the same opponents, it makes sense. Here's your chance to show the board you're objective. :deal As for listing Roy twice, take the first Roy Jones out, and revise the list to read as follows. 1. Tunney 2. Langford 3. Fitzsimmons 4. Chalres 5. Spinks 6. Moore 7. Foster 8. Greb 9. Loughran 10. R. Jones 11. H. Johnson 12. T. Gibbons 13. Conn 14. Philly Jack O'Brien 15. Choynski 16. Rosenbloom 17. Bivins 18. John Henry Lewis 19. J. Dillion 20 Michalczewski