Top 20 Lightweights

No. 6 - another Germany-based WBO titlist from the 1990s. It's almost like there's a pattern to these.

 

And I really need to set aside some time watching Artur Grigorian because he's apparently the sixth greatest lightweight of all time.

 

Yup Old Rasta knows his stuff!

 

A pattern of absurdly biased picks of Euro cheese champs!lol

 

1. Benny Leonard
2. Roberto Duran
3. Joe Gans
4. Ike Williams
5. Carlos Ortiz
6. Tony Canzoneri
7. Pernell Whitaker
8. Lou Ambers
9. Freddie Welsh
10. Joe Brown

Top 3 names are pretty much a no-brainer but 4-10 is trickier. Might review and revise later.

 

I have them
1.Leonard
2.Gans
3.Williams
4.Duran

 

No, I just meant you also missed him off your random list generator.

 

Shane Mosley at 3, Ike Williams at 13, Marquez above Buchanan and Beau Jack.

How? Just how?

 

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Good, that clears that up then.

I'd love to hear your rationale for Artur Grigorian being the 6th best lightweight of all time! Personally, I think he's debatable as the 6th best lightweight of the 90s, let alone the best 135 pounders who've ever lived, but do tell...

 

You sure do ,but I doubt that you would like it!

 

It's a shame Artur couldn't get the big fights with these guys who were ranked when he was ,but of course they all ducked him.All 25 of them.
Jauregui
Mosley
Nazarov
Johnston
Holiday
Molina
Johnson
Robinson
Gatti
Cardona
Scott
Casamayor
Lorcy
Gonzalez
Corralles
Serrano
Castillo
Spadafora
Dunne
Bazan
Lazcano
Dorin
Manfredy
Mayweather
Leija

 

And Artur?

 

He was a complete fighter. Nothing jumps out at first - he’s not a home run hitter or a speedster, but he could do it all and was a great thinker. Had excellent timing, sense and control of distance and whilst not slick defensively he wasn’t that easy to find. He was a master at adapting hence his re-matches record.

To me there’s no question he is the greatest Puerto Rican fighter of all-time and top 5 Lightweight.

 

Dare I say the unsayable and that Ike Williams has become a tad overrated?

He's definitely an ATG and maybe even a Top 5 LW... but let's not get over our collective skis. He's not in front of Duran, Leonard, Canzoneri, Gans or Whitaker and probably Ortiz in my book. And it's a good book.