Top 200 list [bona fide]

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  1. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Definition of Bona Fide is 'in good faith, genuine'.

    1] Sugar Ray Robinson
    2] Armstrong
    3] Langford
    4] Greb
    5] Duran
    6] B.Leonard
    7] Wilde
    8] Ali
    9] Louis
    10] Pep
    11] Charles
    12] Fitzsimmons
    13] Gans
    14] R.Leonard
    15] Hagler
    16] Walker
    17] Moore
    18] Jofre
    19] Tunney
    20] Jack Johnson
    21] Monzon
    22] Whitaker
    23] B.Ross
    24] Saddler
    25] Canzoneri
    26] Salvador Sanchez
    27] Babadoes Joe Walcott
    28] Ketchel
    29] I.Williams
    30] Burley
    31] Marciano
    32] Jack Dempsey
    33] Roy Jones Jnr
    34] Holmes
    35] Dixon
    36] Cesar Charvez
    37] E.Griffith
    38] Arguello
    39] Holyfield
    40] Kid Gavilan
    41] Hearns
    42] Napoles
    43] Freddie Welsh
    44] Driscoll
    45] C.Ortiz
    46] L.Lewis
    47] Harada
    48] Mayweather Jnr
    49] Calzaghe
    50] Britton
    51] Olivares
    52] M.Spinks
    53] Hopkins
    54] Wills
    55] W.Gomez
    56] foster
    57] Villa
    58] Loughran
    59] LM Rodriquez
    60] Al Brown
    61] M.Ortiz
    62] Dick Tiger
    63] Conn
    64] Attell
    65] Perez
    66] Canto
    67] McGovern
    68] Ted Kid Lewis
    69] Kid Chocolate
    70] Joe Brown
    71] Tiger Flower
    72] Cerdan
    73] Jeffries
    74] Pryer
    75] Basilio
    76] McLarnin
    77] T.Ryan
    78] Beau Jack
    79] Angott
    80] Trinidad
    81] McCallum
    82] W.Benitez
    83] De La Hoya
    84] Graham
    85] Gibbons
    86] Kilbane
    87] Blackburn
    88] Ambers
    89] Tyson
    90] H.Williams
    91] Liston
    92] Herman
    93] Philly Jack O'Brien
    94] Loi
    95] Cervantes
    96] Zarate
    97] Giardello
    98] McFarland
    99] Buchanan
    100]Elorde
    101]Montgomery
    102]Barrera
    103]Dundee
    104]Zale
    105]Vicente Salvador
    106]LaBarba
    107]Kid Williams
    108]Genero
    109]Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
    110]Battling Nelson
    111]Rosenbloom
    112]La Motta
    113]Foreman
    114]Frazier
    115]Wolgast
    116]R.Lopez
    117]Carpentier
    118]Locche
    119]Pacquiao
    120]Kane
    121]Jersey Joe Walcott
    122]Dillon
    123]Marshall
    124]Graziano
    125]Delaney
    126]Camacho
    127]Sharkey
    128]J.Lynch
    129]Kingpetch
    130]Barry
    131]B.Lynch
    132]Benvenuti
    133]Baer
    134]Jeanette
    135]Tendler
    136]Buff
    137]Coulon
    138]Chandler
    139]Holly
    140]DeJesus
    141]P.Jackson
    142]Winky Wright
    143]Mosley
    144]Morales
    145]Blackburn
    146]Griffo
    147]Kid Berg
    148]H.Johnson
    149]Galaxy
    150]Mandell
    151]Escobar
    152]Freddie Steele
    153]Azumah Nelson
    154]Bud Taylor
    155]Accavallo
    156]Young Corbett 111
    157]Booker
    158]Bivins
    159]Moran
    160]Ohba
    161]H.Gonzalez
    162]Toney
    163]James J Corbett
    164]Patterson
    165]Kid McCoy
    166]Gushiken
    167]Freddie Miller
    168]Carbajal
    169]F.Burns
    170]Winstone
    171]Levinsky
    172]Fullmer
    173]McAuliffe
    174]E.Pedrozsa
    175]Pintor
    176]Coulon
    177]Pal Moore
    178]Becerra
    179]Jung Koo Chang
    180]Fenech
    181]Honeyghan
    182]McGuigan
    183]Qawi
    184]John Henry Lewis
    185]Hamed
    186]Collins
    187]Saad Muhammed
    188]Perkins
    189]Schmeling
    190]Turpin
    191]Michalczewski
    192]Nunn
    193]Virgil Hill
    194]John L Sullivan
    195]Ritchie
    196]Kilbane
    197]Lew Jenkins
    198]Eubank
    199]Benn
    200]Norris
     
  2. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Taken from the above list, Joe Calzaghe {retired today} would only be the 4th ranked Welshman behind Wilde,Welsh and Driscoll.
     
  3. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Taken from the above list Pacquiao would only be ranked as the 3rd best boxer from the Philipines behind Pancho Villa and Flash Elorde.{although Pacman is sill active}
     
  4. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Taken from the above list, the top 12 heavyweights would be -
    1] Ali
    2] Louis
    3] Jack Johnson
    4] Marciano
    5] Jack Demsey
    6] Holmes
    7] Lewis
    8] Jeffries
    9] Tyson
    10] Liston
    11] Foreman
    12] Frazier
     
  5. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    Is this yours or copied from another site?
     
  6. DINAMITA

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    I'm not being funny, but you say this list you have posted is 'genuine, in good faith'. But you had William Joppy at 143 on your last list, and that inclusion came under heavy fire from many posters, so now you have omitted him completely. What has Joppy done since then to merit being dropped a minimum of 58 places, if this list is genuine and in good faith??
     
  7. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

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    Great effort mate, seriously.

    Just some things I don't get though:


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    I would be interested to hear that, as I think it's an absolutely ludicrous disparity between the current world p4p number 1 and number 3.


    - Why the hell is Barrera FORTY-TWO PLACES above Morales?? How can that be justified?





    Great effort again, but really not sure about the quality of this one either Tramps.
     
  8. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pacquiao is just placed to low, thats only a result of historical bias though.
     
  9. DINAMITA

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    Historical bias didn't seem to affect Jones, Chavez, Holyfield, Lewis, Calzaghe, Mayweather.....
     
  10. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thanks DINAMITA, i am open to change i will look at your concerns and probably change some things as you suggest.
    If you see some more dubious selections let me know.
     
  11. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    Nah, that was my all mate. Good list in general, just a couple of choices that hit a bum note, but that's to be expected in a full top 200. We can't all agree all the time.



    Seriously though, the Joppy thing, what is your reason for ditching ol' Willie a full 57 places? I notice Ricky Hatton has completely disappeared too, and he had been 101st. Have your opinions changed so so radically in the past month or so??
     
  12. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The list i have compiled is not a P4P type list, i dont try to envisage a flyweight fighting a heavyweight, if the flyweight is a better flyweight than the heavyweight is a heavyweight, than i would rank the flyweight higher.

    Pacman scores very well P4P as he continues to win moving up the weights, Calzaghe does not score well P4P as he spent virtually his whole career at one weight.
    Thats why i don't like P4P, Calzaghe enjoyed a great career, i accept that his resume is not the best but he has beaten everybody put infront of him including some good opposition, Pacman on the other had has lost 3 times and drawn twice already. {i bet he will lose a couple more fights before he is finished as well}
     
  13. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whitaker is the first modern-ish fighter listed, at a rather low 22.

    I'd have them all moved up barring Chavez.
     
  14. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The reason i originally had Joppy, Hatton etc was to create debate.
    That list was put together after the Hopkins/Calzaghe bout, i could not believe the disrespect towards Calzaghe on this site at that time,particularly from you DINAMITA, so i created a list to show some people on this forum, look this is where Calzaghe stands on an all time list, it had to be a top 200 because at the time, some people were saying he would not make their top 100 {fair enough}, i figured that even the most biased of posters would be hard pressed not to have him in a top 200, that would be enough to make some people stop and think top 200 all time 'he must be good', and give the boxer some overdue respect.
    If i had done a bona-fide list {which of course i have now done} it would have ended up with lots of old boxers {and by and large it is dominated by old boxers} that most of the people that i was targeting would not have heard of and i would have had virtually no responce, so i needed a list with the best of the current crop on {Hatton etc}as well as the all time greats to stimulate conversation, interest and debate.

    My views have not changed much recently apart from finding out Ross holds a 2-0 over Canzoneri [although both close] and some of the boxers on sweet_scientist's list were better than i realised when i checked them out.
     
  15. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It is my own work, you will not find many top 200's on the net.