Definition of Bona Fide is 'in good faith, genuine'. 1] Sugar Ray Robinson 2] Armstrong 3] Langford 4] Greb 5] Duran 6] B.Leonard 7] Wilde 8] Ali 9] Louis 10] Pep 11] Charles 12] Fitzsimmons 13] Gans 14] R.Leonard 15] Hagler 16] Walker 17] Moore 18] Jofre 19] Tunney 20] Jack Johnson 21] Monzon 22] Whitaker 23] B.Ross 24] Saddler 25] Canzoneri 26] Salvador Sanchez 27] Babadoes Joe Walcott 28] Ketchel 29] I.Williams 30] Burley 31] Marciano 32] Jack Dempsey 33] Roy Jones Jnr 34] Holmes 35] Dixon 36] Cesar Charvez 37] E.Griffith 38] Arguello 39] Holyfield 40] Kid Gavilan 41] Hearns 42] Napoles 43] Freddie Welsh 44] Driscoll 45] C.Ortiz 46] L.Lewis 47] Harada 48] Mayweather Jnr 49] Calzaghe 50] Britton 51] Olivares 52] M.Spinks 53] Hopkins 54] Wills 55] W.Gomez 56] foster 57] Villa 58] Loughran 59] LM Rodriquez 60] Al Brown 61] M.Ortiz 62] Dick Tiger 63] Conn 64] Attell 65] Perez 66] Canto 67] McGovern 68] Ted Kid Lewis 69] Kid Chocolate 70] Joe Brown 71] Tiger Flower 72] Cerdan 73] Jeffries 74] Pryer 75] Basilio 76] McLarnin 77] T.Ryan 78] Beau Jack 79] Angott 80] Trinidad 81] McCallum 82] W.Benitez 83] De La Hoya 84] Graham 85] Gibbons 86] Kilbane 87] Blackburn 88] Ambers 89] Tyson 90] H.Williams 91] Liston 92] Herman 93] Philly Jack O'Brien 94] Loi 95] Cervantes 96] Zarate 97] Giardello 98] McFarland 99] Buchanan 100]Elorde 101]Montgomery 102]Barrera 103]Dundee 104]Zale 105]Vicente Salvador 106]LaBarba 107]Kid Williams 108]Genero 109]Nonpareil Jack Dempsey 110]Battling Nelson 111]Rosenbloom 112]La Motta 113]Foreman 114]Frazier 115]Wolgast 116]R.Lopez 117]Carpentier 118]Locche 119]Pacquiao 120]Kane 121]Jersey Joe Walcott 122]Dillon 123]Marshall 124]Graziano 125]Delaney 126]Camacho 127]Sharkey 128]J.Lynch 129]Kingpetch 130]Barry 131]B.Lynch 132]Benvenuti 133]Baer 134]Jeanette 135]Tendler 136]Buff 137]Coulon 138]Chandler 139]Holly 140]DeJesus 141]P.Jackson 142]Winky Wright 143]Mosley 144]Morales 145]Blackburn 146]Griffo 147]Kid Berg 148]H.Johnson 149]Galaxy 150]Mandell 151]Escobar 152]Freddie Steele 153]Azumah Nelson 154]Bud Taylor 155]Accavallo 156]Young Corbett 111 157]Booker 158]Bivins 159]Moran 160]Ohba 161]H.Gonzalez 162]Toney 163]James J Corbett 164]Patterson 165]Kid McCoy 166]Gushiken 167]Freddie Miller 168]Carbajal 169]F.Burns 170]Winstone 171]Levinsky 172]Fullmer 173]McAuliffe 174]E.Pedrozsa 175]Pintor 176]Coulon 177]Pal Moore 178]Becerra 179]Jung Koo Chang 180]Fenech 181]Honeyghan 182]McGuigan 183]Qawi 184]John Henry Lewis 185]Hamed 186]Collins 187]Saad Muhammed 188]Perkins 189]Schmeling 190]Turpin 191]Michalczewski 192]Nunn 193]Virgil Hill 194]John L Sullivan 195]Ritchie 196]Kilbane 197]Lew Jenkins 198]Eubank 199]Benn 200]Norris
Taken from the above list, Joe Calzaghe {retired today} would only be the 4th ranked Welshman behind Wilde,Welsh and Driscoll.
Taken from the above list Pacquiao would only be ranked as the 3rd best boxer from the Philipines behind Pancho Villa and Flash Elorde.{although Pacman is sill active}
Taken from the above list, the top 12 heavyweights would be - 1] Ali 2] Louis 3] Jack Johnson 4] Marciano 5] Jack Demsey 6] Holmes 7] Lewis 8] Jeffries 9] Tyson 10] Liston 11] Foreman 12] Frazier
This content is protected I'm not being funny, but you say this list you have posted is 'genuine, in good faith'. But you had William Joppy at 143 on your last list, and that inclusion came under heavy fire from many posters, so now you have omitted him completely. What has Joppy done since then to merit being dropped a minimum of 58 places, if this list is genuine and in good faith??
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Thanks DINAMITA, i am open to change i will look at your concerns and probably change some things as you suggest. If you see some more dubious selections let me know.
Nah, that was my all mate. Good list in general, just a couple of choices that hit a bum note, but that's to be expected in a full top 200. We can't all agree all the time. Seriously though, the Joppy thing, what is your reason for ditching ol' Willie a full 57 places? I notice Ricky Hatton has completely disappeared too, and he had been 101st. Have your opinions changed so so radically in the past month or so??
The list i have compiled is not a P4P type list, i dont try to envisage a flyweight fighting a heavyweight, if the flyweight is a better flyweight than the heavyweight is a heavyweight, than i would rank the flyweight higher. Pacman scores very well P4P as he continues to win moving up the weights, Calzaghe does not score well P4P as he spent virtually his whole career at one weight. Thats why i don't like P4P, Calzaghe enjoyed a great career, i accept that his resume is not the best but he has beaten everybody put infront of him including some good opposition, Pacman on the other had has lost 3 times and drawn twice already. {i bet he will lose a couple more fights before he is finished as well}
Whitaker is the first modern-ish fighter listed, at a rather low 22. I'd have them all moved up barring Chavez.
The reason i originally had Joppy, Hatton etc was to create debate. That list was put together after the Hopkins/Calzaghe bout, i could not believe the disrespect towards Calzaghe on this site at that time,particularly from you DINAMITA, so i created a list to show some people on this forum, look this is where Calzaghe stands on an all time list, it had to be a top 200 because at the time, some people were saying he would not make their top 100 {fair enough}, i figured that even the most biased of posters would be hard pressed not to have him in a top 200, that would be enough to make some people stop and think top 200 all time 'he must be good', and give the boxer some overdue respect. If i had done a bona-fide list {which of course i have now done} it would have ended up with lots of old boxers {and by and large it is dominated by old boxers} that most of the people that i was targeting would not have heard of and i would have had virtually no responce, so i needed a list with the best of the current crop on {Hatton etc}as well as the all time greats to stimulate conversation, interest and debate. My views have not changed much recently apart from finding out Ross holds a 2-0 over Canzoneri [although both close] and some of the boxers on sweet_scientist's list were better than i realised when i checked them out.