Top 20s at Weight

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  1. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    ok heres my first attempts at top 2os at different weights i have only done afew

    tell me what you think is wrong and right

    also post your top 20s in each weight as i am looking to compile for every weight

    Light Heavy:

    1. Sam Langford
    2. Ezzard Charles
    3. Harry Greb
    4. Archie Moore
    5. Bob Fitzimmons
    6. Michael Spinks
    7. Gene Tunney
    8. Maxie Rosenbloom
    9. Billy Conn
    10. Jimmy Bivins
    11. Tommy Loughran
    12. Harold Johnson
    13. Joey Maxim
    14. John Henry Lewis
    15. Joey Maxim
    16. Mathew Saad Muhammed
    17. Jack Dillon
    18. Victor Galindez
    19. John Conteh
    20. Lloyd Marshall



    Middleweight

    1. Marvin Hagler
    2. Carlos Monzon
    3. Sugar Ray Robinson
    4. Harry Greb
    5. Mickey Walker
    6. Bob Fitzimmons
    8. Dick Tiger
    9. Bernard Hopkins
    10. Roy Jones Jr.
    11. Tony Zale
    12. Stanley Ketchel
    13. Jake LaMotta
    14. Tiger Flowers
    15. Marcel Cerdan
    16. Mike Gibbons
    17. Gene Fullmer
    18. Non Pareil Jack Dempsey
    19. Carmen Basilio
    20. Emile Griffith


    Welterweight

    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Jose Napoles
    3. Ray Leonard
    4. Charley Burley
    5. Kid Gavilan
    6. Barbados Joe Walcott
    7. Carmen Basilio
    8. Emile Griffith
    9. Henry Armstrong
    10. Luis Manuel Rodriguez
    11. Ted ‘Kid’ Lewis
    12. Young Corbett III
    13. Antonio Cervantes
    14. Don Curry
    15. Fritzie Zivic
    16. Holman Williams
    17. Wilfredo Benitez
    18. Jack Britton
    19. Cocoa Kid
    20. Oscar De La Hoya


    Lightweight


    1. Benny Leonard
    2. Roberto Duran
    3. Joe Gans
    4. Ike Williams
    5. Henry Armstrong
    6. Pernell Whittaker
    7. Jimmy McLarin
    8. Barney Ross
    9. Carlos Ortiz
    10. Alexis Arguello
    11. Julio Cesar Chavez
    12. Sammy Angott
    13. Tony Canzoneri
    14. Lou Ambers
    15. Battling Nelson
    16. Ken Buchanan
    17. Beau jack
    18. Bob Montgomery
    19. Flash Elorde
    20. Ismael Laguna
     
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  2. Sweet Pea

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    On first glance..

    LHW: Jones too high. Spinks, Johnson, Bivins, etc too low. Mustafa in the list but no Saad?

    MW: Not too bad.

    WW: Rodriguez way too low. Griffith too low.
     
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  3. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    cheers out of intrest what does yours look like

    this is a trial and error thing isnt it, i agree with what you say actually

    funny the hardest one to do MW was the best done
     
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  4. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    is this a better Light heavy and welter

    1. Sam Langford
    2. Ezzard Charles
    3. Harry Greb
    4. Archie Moore
    5. Bob Fitzimmons
    6. Michael Spinks
    7. Gene Tunney
    8. Maxie Rosenbloom
    9. Billy Conn
    10. Jimmy Bivins
    11. Tommy Loughran
    12. Lloyd Marshall
    13. Harold Johnson
    14. Joey Maxim
    15. John Henry Lewis
    16. John Conteh
    17. Joey Maxim
    18. Mathew Saad Muhammed
    19. Jack Dillon
    20. Victor Galindez



    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Jose Napoles
    3. Ray Leonard
    4. Charley Burley
    5. Kid Gavilan
    6. Barbados Joe Walcott
    7. Carmen Basilio
    8. Emile Griffith
    9. Henry Armstrong
    10. Ted ‘Kid’ Lewis
    11. Young Corbett III
    12. Luiz Manuel Rodriguez
    13. Antonio Cervantes
    14. Don Curry
    15. Fritzie Zivic
    16. Holman Williams
    17. Wilfredo Benitez
    18. Jack Britton
    19. Cocoa Kid
    20. Oscar De La Hoya
     
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  5. McGrain

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    Yeah, MW is a horrific nightmare to rank.
     
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  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    heres my lightweight it s quite ahrd to do

    1. Benny Leonard
    2. Roberto Duran
    3. Joe Gans
    4. Ike Williams
    5. Henry Armstrong
    6. Pernell Whittaker
    7. Jimmy McLarin
    8. Barney Ross
    9. Carlos Ortiz
    10. Alexis Arguello
    11. Julio Cesar Chavez
    12. Sammy Angott
    13. Tony Canzoneri
    14. Lou Ambers
    15. Battling Nelson
    16. Ken Buchanan
    17. Beau jack
    18. Bob Montgomery
    19. Flash Elorde
    20. Ismael Laguna
     
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  7. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    yeh the top 4 are set in my mind but after taht its a nightmare everyone has had rouhgly same achievement the when you get to the last 5 it goes abit down hill IMO compared tothe 15 before
     
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  8. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Belive Jack Delaney should be there, he did beat Loughran after all, and Tommy never did get back at old blue eyes.
     
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  9. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fullmer IS a top 20 middleweight imo.
     
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  10. Sweet Pea

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    I'd still have Rodriguez comfortably in the top 10 Welters.
     
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  11. Mantequilla

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    I'd probably put Saad and Galindez above Conteh at light heavy.don't think he accomplished quite enough to be top 20, even though he may have been capable of beating them both.
     
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  12. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    cheers for thoughts lads ill ahve a think about them and see where id put them
     
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  13. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    did you accidently leave out bob foster??

    my only big problem is you having joey maxim over harold johnson. this is unnacceptable. Harold Johnson was on a level above Maxim and would have shut him out if they ever fought. I also thought harold johnson beat better opposition. Johnson beat archie moore and ezzard charles who joey maxim went 0-8 against! Harold won head to head over bivins, so he rates higher. I think johnson is top 10 material, when you see him on film u might agree

    Lloyd Marshall belongs high at middleweight, but he never did anything at light-heavyweight that was accomplishing....both moore and charles knocked him out at 175lb. you have marshall over bivins despite bivins knocking him out for the duration light-heavyweight title. I would swap harold johnson with lloyd marshall.

    - If you have room, I believe Mauro Mina deserves a spot in the top 20


    great effort!
     
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  14. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    cheers man

    first time ive ever done one and dont know alot about the 20s to 50s really as im pretty young

    looking at records your spot on like i said hit and miss affair

    out of intrest what is your top 20
     
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  15. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    ok lads i ahve updated it

    1. Sam Langford
    2. Ezzard Charles
    3. Harry Greb
    4. Archie Moore
    5. Bob Fitzimmons
    6. Michael Spinks
    7. Gene Tunney
    8. Maxie Rosenbloom
    9. Billy Conn
    10. Jimmy Bivins
    11. Tommy Loughran
    12. Harold Johnson
    13. Joey Maxim
    14. John Henry Lewis
    15. Joey Maxim
    16. Mathew Saad Muhammed
    17. Jack Dillon
    18. Victor Galindez
    19. John Conteh
    20. Lloyd Marshall


    Marvin Hagler
    2. Carlos Monzon
    3. Sugar Ray Robinson
    4. Harry Greb
    5. Mickey Walker
    6. Bob Fitzimmons
    8. Dick Tiger
    9. Bernard Hopkins
    10. Roy Jones Jr.
    11. Tony Zale
    12. Stanley Ketchel
    13. Jake LaMotta
    14. Tiger Flowers
    15. Marcel Cerdan
    16. Mike Gibbons
    17. Gene Fullmer
    18. Non Pareil Jack Dempsey
    19. Carmen Basilio
    20. Emile Griffith


    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Jose Napoles
    3. Ray Leonard
    4. Charley Burley
    5. Kid Gavilan
    6. Barbados Joe Walcott
    7. Carmen Basilio
    8. Emile Griffith
    9. Henry Armstrong
    10. Luis Manuel Rodriguez
    11. Ted ‘Kid’ Lewis
    12. Young Corbett III
    13. Antonio Cervantes
    14. Don Curry
    15. Fritzie Zivic
    16. Holman Williams
    17. Wilfredo Benitez
    18. Jack Britton
    19. Cocoa Kid
    20. Oscar De La Hoya


    can somebody post their top 20s for the original 8 weight classes
     
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