Top 25 all time under 200lb

I’ve been here since 2005, and I’m not going anywhere.

The problem with you is you’re impossible to engage with in any type of logical discussion. You’re obstinate in your views and always have been. And you’re Machiavellian like in your tactics used to discredit certain fighters.

 

Since when did Folley get knocked out by H Cooper? Folley lost a hometown decision in which he floored Cooper and outboxed him. In the rematch Folley iced cooper in two rounds.

Folley did have a shaky chin but the things he did well, he did really well..and he emphatically defeated Machen at his own game. Folley was incredibly skilled and had a sharpshooter right hand. Folley had great longevity and his resume stacks up just fine vs Eddie’s

 

shakey at his best was a handle. He had skills, Fast hands, underrated bob and weave defense…his resume is great. And he should have gotten a DQ win over Jack Southpole Dempsey.

However,

I just find Ellis better. Jimmy Ellis had unbelievable footwork, speed, skills, and he could punch too. He went through a good crop Martin (beat Liston), Bonavena (Almost beat Frazier) and Quarry (beat Patterson) to win the WBA tournament and had 1 title defense over a hall of fame former champion. The fight with Ellis Patterson was very close, I think I had Patterson winning by 1 round.

Ellis at his best sticks and moves and outpoints Sharkey in my opinion, he has the power to hurt Sharkey too

 

Yes I mean..you can make a case he beats Louis,

I just don’t think so. Usyk has struggled with opponents and has been hit often by men inferior to Louis. I think when you talk h2h ability, Louis is the greatest puncher and finisher of all time. Louis was a fighting acumen, he was so instinctive when he smelled blood. Joe’s lightning quick counters, perfectly precise punch placement in combinations, upper echelon of power/speed behind those punches, such little wasted movement.

I think he’s behind on points and gets to Usyk late.

 

sure, I don’t have the time now with a wife & three young kids to research back. So I’ll concede, I apologize for making those remarks. We’re both compatriots in our high opinion of Sonny Liston, so let’s unite over this.

Machen does have a case. A strong one. I just think both had very similar careers and when you take their 2 head to head fights together, Folley had Machen’s number. Folley had some egregious losses, but some of those were also avenged. It’s a shame neither got a title shot vs Patterson in late 50s, would have told us quite a lot.

 

cheers

I think Floyd matches up great against Machen and Folley. I still think Cleveland Williams presented an awful match for Floyd early, and I think Floyd would have walked into the ring with some fear. Williams was big fast and threw bombs, especially early.