Top 25 ATG Heavyweight List

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  1. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There is obviously a lot of emphasis on the classic forum of the top 10 ATG heavyweight list, but no one seems to ever look at the 10-15 15-20 and 20-25 region (Apart from a few like philyfan and lufcrazy do there's up to 20) I've worked quite hard to get my list right recently and making sure I'm not just listing names the lower I get.

    Take a look and let me know whatcha think.


    Re: Top 15 Heavyweights ever?
    1 Louis
    2 Ali
    3 Marciano
    4 Foreman
    5 Holmes
    6 Lewis
    7 Johnson
    8 Frazier
    9 Holyfield
    10 Tyson
    11 Jeffries
    12 Wlad (assuming he doesn't lose till retirement)
    13 Liston
    14 Dempsey
    15 Schmelling
    16 Charles
    17 Patterson
    18 Walcott
    19 Wills
    20 Bowe
    21 Vitali
    22 Langford
    23 Tunney
    24 Sullivan
    25 Norton

    I'll admit I'm not too well educated on Sullivan or Wills yet, but I'm learning.
     
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  2. Boxed Ears

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    Where's Marvin Hart, Web? :twisted:
     
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  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I was unaware that Jeffries fought heavyweights.
     
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  4. Kid Bacon

    Kid Bacon All-Time-Fat Full Member

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    Too high; Foreman, Johnson, Tyson, Jeffries,

    Outrageously too high: Wlad (he is barely top 25th ssuming he doesn't lose till retirement) ;)

    Too low: Langford, Sullivan, Norton

    Missing: where is Max Baer??? :twisted:

    Doesn't belong: Vitali (he barely belongs to the top 250th !!!!!) :-(
     
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  5. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh Seamus, I'm pretty sure I remember you arguing against Jeffries being too low in a list a month or so back?

    He reigned supreme and dominated a very competitive era of boxing. Sure he may have outweighed his opposition, however he was fighting people that where at their best when weighing in at 160-180. If he fought a Fitzsimmons who weighed 200, everyone would be complaining that it's the heaviest he's ever been.
     
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  6. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    1 thru 25 is hard to do since it gets iffy / hazy after # 15.....

    Ali
    Holmes
    Johnson
    Louis
    Lewis
    Foreman
    V.K.
    Holy
    Tyson
    Liston
    Wlad Klit
    Frazier
    Marciano
    Dempsey
    Bowe
    Charles
    Jeffries
    Tim Spoon
    Norton
    Baer
    Schmeling
    Dokes
    Tunney
    Patterson
    Valuev
    :deal

    MR.BILL:hat:good:yep
     
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  7. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Marciano at # 3 only holds water between 1887 to 1960.... Here in 2012, Marciano is lucky to be top-10.... V.K. would eat his ass alive....

    MR.BILL
     
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  8. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    134 posts for Kid Bacon tells me all I need to know....:hi:

    MR.BILL:bbb
     
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  9. Kid Bacon

    Kid Bacon All-Time-Fat Full Member

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    Mr Bill putting VK 7th in the list tells me all I need to know... so I can save me reading 17k+ posts :lol:
     
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  10. tezel8764

    tezel8764 Boxing Junkie banned

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    :lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
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  11. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    1. Louis
    2. Ali
    3. Johnson
    4. Marciano
    5. Dempsey
    6. Foreman
    7. Jeffries
    8. Sullivan
    9. Holmes
    10. Frazier
    11. Tyson
    12. Lewis
    13. Wills
    14. Charles
    15. Langford
    16. Liston
    17. Patterson

    I don't know the order. It varies every time I try to settle it. Especially beyond 10.
    The other ten guys would be drawn from:
    Jersey Joe Walcott
    Max Schmeling
    Tommy Burns
    Ken Norton
    Max Baer
    Evander Holyfield
    Riddick Bowe
    Wladimir Klitschko
    Vitali Klitschko
    Gene Tunney
    Primo Carnera
    Sam McVea
    Joe Jeannette

    If you include Sullivan on an ATG HW list, he can't be lower than 10th without you seriously contradicting yourself on a **** ton of levels (even though the nature of any ATG list in boxing will reveal mass contradictions). Same with Jeffries, he is def a top 10 guy.
     
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  12. Boxed Ears

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    :lol: He is an absolute ******* to try ranking fairly.
     
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  13. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I really could give a flying **** about who's popular or who was popular back in the day. I only judge fighters based on who I feel can kick the hardest ass.. Resume's are nice, but I also judge by how big and solid many of the opponents were on a champions file, as well.....
    :bbb
    Louis gets dinged a lot for fighting the "Bum of the Month" dude's of the 1940's...

    Marciano fought and KO'd a buncha' old farts past their primes...

    Holmes defended against Evangelista, Ocasio, Scotty Frank and Marvis Frazier...

    Holy defended against 40+ Foreman and Holmes, as well as Coke fiend Bert Cooper...

    The cycle goes on and on...

    I have NO PROBLEM ranking the K-Bros. as highly as I do... No problem at all.....

    SR.BILLARDO:think:rasta
     
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  14. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i think has a place in the top 10, the argument is there. far less so for vitali
     
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  15. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    **** you, you limey cocksucker from down under..... To me you are nothing but kangaroo ****.... Punk-ass *****.... I give a **** about your opinions.....
    :twisted:

    MR.BILL:hat
     
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