Top 25 ATG Heavyweight List

you are right about everything other then Lennox Lewis.

I would like to type out a essay on that but I'm too lazy atm. Just trust me when I say

there is NO and I mean NO justification in ranking Lewis any lower then 5th

The lowest possible rankings you can have for Lewis is 5.

 

Ya actually I'm just going to copy and paste something from my other thread.


This is a non bias 100% accurate break down of Lennox Lewis's career.




Non Bias BREAK DOWN.
Lennox Lewis career.

Lewis have the honor of being the only modern day heavyweight to defeat every man he ever faced. He avenged both his fluke defeats in spectacular fashion and have a great resume.
In the case of Lennox, it is not 1 or 2 wins that stands out but his amazing collective body of work that really puts him ahead of the pack. Lewis in his 15th fight fought a undefeated power puncher name Gary Mason. Gary Mason was 35-0 with 34 Knock outs. Let's think for a moment about just how special that is.

Gary Mason's 'padded record' stage consists Tyrell Biggs, James Tillis, Lorenzo Boyd, Alfonzo Ratliff, Ricky Parkey, Donnie Long, James Pritchard, Mark Wills, Everett Martin, Louis Pergaud, Hughroy Currie, Terry Armstrong, David Jaco and Jess Harding. Compare those fighters to the fighters today's undefeated guys like Seth Mitchell and Detontay Wilder knocked out and you will see the sheer skill differences in resume.
Mason had a 99% knock out ratio heading into the Lewis fight. Lewis was a virtual youngster and he ended up knocking out the knock out artist.

Lewis went on to ko Biggs and Weaver and put up a string of very good performances before entering a 4 men elimination tournament which consisted of

Bowe-Holyfield
Lewis-Ruddock.
Razer Ruddock was one of the most feared punchers in the division and a solid favorite to beat the relatively unknown Brit. Lennox ended up destroying Ruddock in 2 rounds. What followed was one of the most despicable acts known to mankind as Riddick Big ***** Bowe decided to duck Lennox and throw his belt into the trashcan. Cheating Lewis of a possible career defining trilogy. Bowe was dominated by Lewis in the Olympics and never ever wanted to get within 200 miles of Lewis's fists ever again.
Lewis lost motivation, but still managed to come from behind and knock out Frank Bruno (who is a very solid HW and would have been champion today). He also beat Tony Tucker, who is one of the most under rated heavies of the last 3 eras, Tucker went the distance with a prime Tyson and had Tyson fighting confused for stretches.

He lost to Oliver Mccall via a debatable stoppage, regrouped and came back to dominate another underrated fighter in Tommy Morrison. Prime Ray Mercer followed. I hear some people joke about how Mercer was a split decision nail biting fight. These people don't know **** about boxing and should re watch the fight. The match was close and a prime Mercer fought his heart out, but lost steam starting from Round 5 and was eating Lewis right hands, combinations, along with long jabs to the face again and again.
Lewis-Mercer was a very competitive 7-3 affair.

Lewis went on to beat Mccall in the rematch, Lennox caused some sort of mental melt down from Mccall(some people say drugs, I say Lewis's right hand)
Lennox went on to KO the very feared Golota in one round. Golota beat the living crap out of Riddick Bowe for 2 straight fights. His low blows was disgraceful, but it don't change the fact Golota won 90% of the rounds and beat Bowe half to death.
Lewis was a under dog and knocked out Golota in 1 round.

Željko Mavrović was a undefeated iron chin super champion from Europe and Lennox beat him 9-3. At best you can say it was a 8-4 fight. Zeljko had a lot of talent, heart and chin. What happened after the Lewis fight was a shame, a damn shame. To this day, Lewis was the only guy to have beaten Mavrovic, so many others tried, they all failed. With the exception of Lennox.
Prime Shannon Briggs was knocked down numerous times and destroyed by Lennox in the fifth. Some of the most surreal shoulder roll defense was shown by Lewis in that fight. A decade later, a shot Briggs went 12 with a Prime Vitali.

Lewis dominated and embarrassed a still elite Holyfield and won 10-2 on every score card imaginable to the human race. He was cheated by sand Devil Demon Don King. He went on to beat Holyfield again, albeit not as dominant as the first time.

Michael Grant was hyped beyond belief. This ****er was the original Lucian Bute of the HW'S and he was Froched by Lennox. Grant was also 6'8 and a giant super HW with great athletic abilities. People say Golota and Grant didn't do anything after Lennox fought them, of course they didn't. Lewis broke them, they were done.

Lennox went on to fight murderous super puncher David Tua and made Tua look like some kind of fat sparring partner. I had it 12-0 Lewis in the widest most dominant performance of all times when it comes to UD'S.

If you think Wladimir dominated Haye, go watch Lewis-Tua, that is what true domination is all about. Oh btw, that version of Tua would have knocked out Haye in 4-5 Rounds tops.

Lewis avenged his defeat against Rahman by throwing quite possibly one of the most ruthless 1-2 in boxing history and went on to dominate Mike Tyson. Lewis vs Mike is like Calzaghe vs Jones.
Both Mike and Jones was shot, but Calzaghe and Lewis were past their best days as well.

Lennox retired by beating Vitali, despite being a very fat 256+ and heavily under trained. HBO repeatly mentioned how fat and how under conditioned Lewis looked.
Lewis against a Prime Vitali was a war and Lennox was coming on strong in the end. Rounds 4-6, Lennox was pouring it on and Vitali would not have survived past the 8th if the fight was not stopped.



Lewis is a Top 3-5 ATG HW.
He will dominate any era.
He is a top 1-3 H2H Monster.
This is not debatable.
This is not refutable.
This is fact.

 

1. John L. Sullivan (with mustache bump)
1A. SNV
2. Rocy Marciano
3. Riddock Bowe
4. James J. Jeffries
5. Vacant
6. Ingemar Johansson
7. Cassius Clay (bonus points for alliterative name)
8. Ike Ibeabuchi (losses points for alliterative name)
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Klitschko
11. Joe Louis
12. 1988 Mike Tyson
13. Larry Holmes
14. Boston Tom McMoustache
15. George Foreman
16. Sonny liston
17. Jack Johnson
18. David Tua
19. Joe Frazier (losses points for being held to a draw by a guy named Jumbo)
20. Muhammad Ali
21. Real Floyd Patterson
22. ESB Jimmy Young
23. Gentlemen Jim Corbett
24. EZzard Charles
25. Harry Wills
26. Joe Walcott
27. Jersey Joe Walcott
28. Cassius X
29. Tommy Burns
30. Steve Zouski (big Mullet mustache combo)
31.Oliver McCall
32. Fat Willie Meehan
33. Duane Bobick (bonus for hype)
34. Gene Tunney
35. Bob Fitzsimmons
36. Regular Mike Tyson
37. Evander Holyfield

 

Lewis was koed twice by single blows.

 

I do agree of your assessment of his bout with Vitali. Vitali was going to be koed within the next 2 rounds. He was fading fast at the end of that last round. I do rate Lewis highly but he had a short reign as champion. His win over Briggs gave him the true championship. He went down in sections with single blows so one wonders the effect of a Louis, Marciano, Foreman or Dempsey Sunday punch.

 

He avenged both of these defeats.

Mccall one was highly debatable btw. Even HBO said during the live airing that

'this is highly debatable, the ref is a friend of Don King'

 

The loss was debatable, true. But not the fact that he got knocked down by a couple of short counterpunches, and was still visibly hurt after getting up.

 

Thing about Sullivan tho is I have not the slightest clue about his opposition, I've heard he ducked a few top contenders and top negro fighters.

If he fought and beat the best of his era I'd have no problem putting him in my top 10 even if it was a weak era (Holmes, Marciano) but like I said don't know about his opposition and I heard he ducked a few fighters, added to this was Boxing was just becoming a thing and so I couldn't imagine the talent pool being all that deep.

 

A fine list sir although ESB (Fantasy) Jimmy Young is a top 10 lock 4 sho.

 

Highly deb8table because Lewis fell on d referee .

D referee would have done better if he stepped aside and let Lewis crash on d canvas face 1st like he was going 2 .

 

All of your poor attempts 2 educ8 myself could b spared .
I knew Ellis , Machen , Jones and Patterson were not much bigger if at all than Charles by d time i posted it .
I ask again , because u ignored it : does Charles beat them ?
Whitaker & McCline would have had a useful but easy sparing session with Charles , ended by Charles either laid out or saved by d referee after stumbling helplessly .

His resume against fighters his own size was good , but a smaller , past his prime Lloyd Marshall knocked him out and almost repeated it in their rematch when he was yet even older and more removed from his prime , and still smaller .

Arnold Cream KOd him . Some consider Cream a "journeyman" / " B level fighter " .

Charles did not beat n old , bald and shot Louis either .

Charles' "successful" run at heavyweight was in fact like 85% losses or draws in his "big" fights there , and only 1 of which (Louis) was against a true heavyweight (Louis) .

 

1.Muhammad Ali- best skills, best speed, best ring IQ, heart, chin, best competition, victories: Foreman, Frazier, Liston, Norton, Patterson, Quarry, Shavers, Lyle, Young, Chuvalo, Moore

2.Joe Louis- great skills, knockout power, great competition, big enough to still be champ today and beat guys big as any today, victories: Charles, Walcott, Schmeling, Baer, Sharkey, Carnera, Conn

3.Larry Holmes- a slightly sloppier but slightly bigger version of Ali but didn't have his tests and opponents, victories: Norton, Cooney, Shavers, Berbick, Mercer

4.George Foreman- monster punching power + skills that put him above other punchers like Shavers or Lyle, crushed Frazier twice, victories: Frazier, Norton, Cooney, Moorer

5.Joe Frazier- strong puncher, good skills, buckets of heart, victories: Ali, Quarry, Ellis, Machen, Foster, Chuvalo

6.Wladimir Klitschko- Humongous, too big for most to handle, and highly skilled as well. Weak jaw, questions around stamina, but for now great defense. Like Holmes under tested. Dominant for a decade, 51 knockouts and counting. victories: Haye, Chagaev, Byrd, Chambers, Rahman, Mercer

7.Vitali Klitschko- enormous and only slightly less skilled than his brother with a better chin. He was beating the hell out of Lewis until the fight was stopped for cuts. Him and his brother are two of the smartest heavyweights ever and could out think their opponents if they couldn't out muscle them. victories: Lewis

8.Lennox Lewis- Excellent blend of size and skills, victories: Holyfield, Tyson, Tua, Golota, Mercer, Rahman

9.Evander Holyfield- great heart, great chin, great stamina, victories: Tyson, Bowe, old Foreman, Moorer, old Holmes, Mercer, Douglas

10.Mike Tyson- fast with great punching power and head movement but crumbled when faced with top tier opposition. victories: elderly Holmes, past prime Spinks, Golota, Berbick, Ruddock

11.Rocky Marciano- great punching power, great stamina, great heart and workrate, victoriesld Louis, old Charles, old Walcott, old Moore, if he fought guys his own age maybe I could rate him higher.

12.Jack Dempsey: great puncher, great speed, small but proved he had the power to fight modern heavies. victories: Sharkey, Gibbons, Carpentier, Firpo, Willard

13.Ken Norton- not slick but durable, gave Ali and Holmes great fights, not the greatest chin, victories: Ali, Quarry, Young

14.Riddick Bowe- just a humongous and athletic monster of a man who proved his skills in victories over Evander Holyfield

15.Sonny Liston- largely on his victories over Floyd Patterson

16.Ezzard Charles- with his skills he'd still probably outpoint the big guys, victories: Louis, Walcott, Moore, Maxim

17.Floyd Patterson- victories: Chuvalo, Johansson, Machen, Bonavena

18.Max Baer- what a punch, victories Carnera, Schmeling

19.Max Schmeling- largely for his victory over Joe Louis

20.Ike Ibeabuchi- victories: Chris Byrd, David Tua

21.Gene Tunney- His skills would hold up to most heavies up to about 220 pounds and he could also probably scrap with other guys on this list. What's holding him back from cracking the top 20 is his size and power. victories: old Jack Dempsey, Tommy Gibbons, undersized Harry Greb, Georges Carpentier

22.Jack Johnson- I'm not totally sold on his era or his opponents. He'd be a heavyweight today and in the footage his opponents all look small and out muscled. victories: Bob Fitzsimmons, Jim Jeffries, Sam Langford

23.Jerry Quarry- victories: Patterson, Shavers, Lyle

24.Earnie Shavers- maybe the hardest puncher ever, fought until he was fifty, victories: Norton, Ellis, Young

25.Harry Wills- victories: Sam Langford

 

Please to be naming all the top negro fighters he avoided. The greatest of the lot was Peter Jackson who only came to the US in 1888, when Sullivan was essentially retired and certainly past his peak. Even then, observers noted that he was no match for a prime Sullivan.

Godrey might be another but was KO'd by Kilrain who Sullivan subsequently beat in a LPR fight.

 

Neither Klit brother exhibits great skill. Rating them anywhere near the top ten is beyond a joke. Walking statues.

 

I hope you don't believe that. Klitschko is in my to ten.