top 25 fighters since 1980?

.. no.. on putting Hopkins ahead of Jones

 

I thought everyone ranks whitaker top 20, whats up with people acting like he isnt top 5 of the last 30 years? he clearly is a good candidate.

 

1. Duran
2. SRL
3. Whitaker
4. Pacman
5. Jones
6. Hearns
7. Chavez
8. Arguello
9. Hagler
10. Holyfield
11. Sanchez
12. Benitez
13. Mayweather
14. BHOP
15. Finito Lopez
16. Lewis
17. Morales
18. Barrera
19. Tyson
20. Mosley
21. Juan Manuel Marquez
22. Oscar
23. Meldrick Taylor
24. Tito
25. Calzaghe

 

I guess it depends on whether you disregard RJJ's fights once he started being knocked unconscious left and right (I hope I don't sound to trolly but his team had to literally scratch him off the canvas everytime he was stopped) since many considered him visibly faded by then or you take his entire career into consideration.
Hopkins is building his legacy at a far more advanced age than RJJ and deserves more credit for that than RJJ did for his performances when his reflexes were at their peak. Losses are part of one's resume and should have a visible effect on the ATG rankings.

 

It doesnt affect duran and ali when they lost when shot, why the double standard for jones?

 

What's up with Spinks being left off these lists?

 

That's what I'm saying. Whitaker is a clear cut top 3 for this time frame, with only Duran and Leonard deserving of a higher ranking. He'd be top 20-25 in an all time list, although many would have him higher.

 

Yes, I also had these two in mind when I wrote that paragraph. Ali's Parkinson's desease is a valid explanation for his losses to sup-bar opponents, as for Duran you are right.

One can make the case that only the victories at an advanced age add to the resume whereas losses are dismissed due to the fighter being faded or shot. In some cases that's appropriate, in others it's not.

 

This list is not purely based on achievement but overall ability, skill level, p4p mythical stylistic matchups and attributes. Many of these are inter changable.

1) Roberto Duran (Killer Instinct. Natural fighter. Can do it all. P4P)
2) Sugar Ray Leonard (Skills. Speed. Heart. Chin. Talent. Shrewd)
3) Pernel Whitaker (Defensivlly the best)
4) Manny Pacquiao (Beast-ridiculous physical attributes)
5) Roy Jones Junior ( Blessed with super human reflexes)
6) Floyd Mayweather Junior (One of the strongest fighters mentally)
7) Marvin Hagler (Underated boxing ability. ATG chin))
8) Bernard Hopkins (Discipline. Crazy Ring IQ)
9) James Toney (Ridiculous skillset-criminally underated. Natural fighter )
10) Aaron Pryor (Riduclous work ethic and ATG stamina)
11) Thomas Hearns
12) Erik Morales
13) Julio Ceasar Chavez
14) Alexis Arguello
15) Juan Manuel Marquez
16) Wilfredo Benitez
17) Mike Tyson
18) Rafa Marquez
19) Marco Antonio Barerra
20) Oscar De La Hoya
21) Miguel Cotto
22) Nonito Donaire
23) Lennox Lewis
24) Ricardo Lopez
25) Tito Trinidad

 

1. Calzaghe
2. Jones
3. Tszyu
4. Whitaker
5. Hearns
6. Guzman
7. Leonard
8. Andre Ward
9. Mayweather
10. Duran
11. Gamboa
12. Lewis
13. Pryor
14. Holyfield
15. Pacquaio
(Robin Reid would have gone here, if his prime had been more than one night)
16. Hopkins
17. E Lara
18. Larry Holmes
19. Morales
20. Holyfield
21. Lopez
22. Barrera
23. Mikkel Kessler
24. Spinks
25. Winky Wright

 

Two words: General Forum.

Anyways, I'll stop stalling.

1. Roberto Duran
2. Ray Leonard
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Marvin Hagler
5. Roy Jones Jr.
6. Alexis Arguello
7. Julio Cesar Chavez
8. Thomas Hearns
9. Michael Spinks
10. Manny Pacquiao
11. Salvador Sanchez
12. Mike Tyson
13. Evander Holyfield
14. Bernard Hopkins
15. Mike McCallum
16. Wilfred Benitez
17. James Toney
18. Azumah Nelson
19. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
20. Eusebio Pedroza
21. Larry Holmes
22. Jung-Koo Chang
23. Sumbu Kalambay
24. Orlando Canizales
25. Ricardo Lopez

 

The Klitschkos and 23 of their opponents. Make random choices, doesn't really matter.

 

1) Sugar Ray Leonard
2) Roberto Duran
3) Floyd Mayweather Junior
4) Roy Jones Junior
5) Pernel Whitaker
6) Manny Pacquaio
7) Marvin Hagler
Bernard Hopkins
9) Thomas Hearns
10) James Toney
11) Aaron Pryor
12) Erik Morales
13) Julio Ceasar Chavez
14) Alexis Arguello
15) Juan Manuel Marquez
16) Wilfredo Benitez
17) Mike Tyson
1 Rafa Marquez
19) Marco Antonio Barerra
20) Oscar De La Hoya
21) Miguel Cotto
22) Nonito Donaire
23) Lennox Lewis
24) Ricardo Lopez
25) Tito Trinidad

 

Even I managed to put Spinks in, if these people know less than me then they have problems.

 

Duran is number 2 since 1980? By beating Leonard and losing to all the other legends he fought? I will revise the list top 20.
Leonard
Pacman
Hagler
Hearns
Spinks
Jones
Chavez
Tyson
Holmes
Benitez
Mosley
Delahoya
Floyd
Morales
Barrera
Pryor
Duran
Nelson
Tito
Arguello