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That's a convincing point. Guzman has never really had that close of a fight. I thought he clearly beat Barrios. While Calderon's struggles against Hugo Fidel Cazares and Ronald Barrera may be a legitimate cause for concern. He's slipping...

 

What is your reasoning for having De La Hoya so high? And why is David Haye above Miguel Cotto?

Cotto has risen through 2 weight classes, defeating world class opponents, a future HOFer, and 9 world champions.

 

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50% ability, 50% resume. And I also look at the resume in a very critical fashion, just like how you and I agreed on how wins should be 'rated'.

Well, here's how I see it mate, the win over Tarver got him a top 10 spot again due to his domination, but I mean the #10 at the time in 2006. Then he retired, which wipes your spot clean IMO, he legitimately retired and didn't tool around but got sucked back into it months later.

A win over a blown up, horrible version of Wright which was CLOSE at that, doesn't merit a spot in the top 25 best fighters in the world, you are about finished off at that point, it's time to let go.:yep

I can agree with this, it's just that Hatton finally got dominated and KTFO, showing his further limitations. I simply feel Abraham's a better fighter and he has yet to get an official loss, he's been looking very solid lately and is one of the better European champions behind Calzaghe/Kessler/Erdei type guys.

I have no issue's with rating Hatton over him, I agree to a point, but I'm sticking to my format. Hatton's overall resume is truthfully not that impressive anyway if we judge wins correctly, the win over Tszyu is the best one and a significant one in it's own right, but two years ago and his recent run has been pathetic with Collazo-Urango-Castillo-Mayweather.

See my side of the river a little on Hatton now?

Abraham's been KTFO live contenders, who were ranked, just like Wlad has been doing in his shallow division and you ranked Wlad over Rick.

Indeed, I can agree with this to a point, but Sergey is simply just a better fighter IMO, so this is where I'm using his overall resume and his ability regard.

Donaire showed me way too many flaws against a shot Maldonado mate...

Dzinziruk is excellent.

I don't think anything of Paul Williams, didn't think anything of Margo for that matter and Williams struggled with them. In my eyes, a top 20 P4P will easily annihilate Margarito out of the water.

Forrest has been looking great lately and Baldomir is not better than Margarito of course, but dominating Baldomir and dominating and KTFO Picirillo is better than struggling with Margarito alone and KTFO a shot Sharmba Mitchell. Then we take the fact that Forrest lately has looked about 80% roughly of his prime(IMO), and a prime Forrest was an absolute monster and about 3-4 levels above Williams.

Make sense?

 

Who's going to beat him at MW? I'll take him over Pavlik, Taylor and crew.

 

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Yes, Cazares only is a good win due to his bigger size than Calderon, but that fight was razor close and Cazares is nothing resembling a WC fighter in ability in my view.

Humberto Soto is what I'd call a 'B+', a WC contender, but not elite of course and Guzman dealt with him extremely easily, despite Soto having the stylistic edge with his height and length, which is much more difficult for Guzman than smaller guys like Pacman for example for him to tag.

So it comes down to what you rate, a total outclassing of a B+ in your own weight division, or 'scraping by' a B- a weight division up. I'll rate the total outclassing as superior.

 

Amsterdam, I fully get your points.

The argument towards Forrest was good indeed, and call me crazy, but I seriously think Forrest would beat Mayweather if Floyd moved back up.

 

No doubt, in that 'mock' rating system that I made, Forrest would rate as a '10' for stylistic difficulty for Floyd.

I also think Forrest starches Cotto and Williams with ease, despite being 37, Forrest is still a very sharp fighter and in his prime he was an underrated beast that would have owned DLH and Trinidad both.

Prime for prime, Forrest KO's Floyd. Now, I'd rate Forrest as a very heavy favourite and it seems that he's a natural LMW afterall, he seems huge at that weight class even.

 

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I see Pavlik nearly getting starched by the very average hitting Jermain Taylor as a negative, Abraham can move and punch with decent handspeed and will land a bomb that will have effect.

It would be a closely contested battle, but this is one that likely comes down to the chin, which Abraham has a much better one than Pavlik.

Nearly getting starched by Jermain Taylor is pretty bad, you get an automatic 'shaky chin' rating for that one, as Taylor can't punch for ****.

 

Forrest was a great fighter in his prime and he's still a damn good one. I'd pick him over Cotto and Williams too. Probably over every welterweight for that matter.

Forrest would be a stylistic nightmare for most fighters. Floyd couldn't outbox him from the outside and he wouldn't find much success potshotting him. Forrest's long reach would enable him to keep a distance and Floyd would find himself at the end of Forrest's 1-2. It's just a bad matchup overall for Mayweather and Cotto. Vernon would probably be a bad matchup for Pernell Whitaker as well.

 

He's a terrible match up for Whitaker, but thankfully, Pernell being a boxing genius gives him the benefit of the doubt in being the slight favourite over Forrest. I'd just bet Pernell would find a way to neutralise Forrest's strengths enough to edge a close one.

And thankfully again for us purists, Floyd isn't on Pernell's level, he can't even hold his jock strap.:yep

When you really think about it, Pernell absolutely owned several guys that would have handed Floyd his ass, Chavez being the first that comes to mind, what a great fighter and even though Pernell was a bit on the ego trip side, it was nothing like Floyd, he was a good man.

 

One thing I was thinking about during the Hatton fight is that Whitaker would have never allowed Hatton to get close to him and attempt to maul him. Hatton wasn't landing much of anything on Floyd in the first 5 or 6 rounds, but he was able to get in close and in round 5, he kept Mayweather in a corner for most of the round.

Whitaker would have kept a distance all night with his jab, popping Hatton with it at will. He would have peppered Hatton with combinations too.

I think Whitaker was better with pressure fighters than Mayweather, and not only would I pick him over Mayweather, but I'd also give him a 50/50 chance against Duran and Pryor - something I wouldn't give Floyd.

 

Whitaker would have had Hatton cut up and stopped in 5-7 rounds, it would have been as bad as Gatti-Mayweather by my estimations.

Your assessment of the comparison of what Floyd did and what Whitaker would have done is 100% spot on.

Whitaker was better with pressure/swarmers because he was a superior pugilist period, Whitaker is easily one of the 15 greatest fighters to lace up gloves and had he fought Floyd's competition, I find it hard to imagine him dropping more rounds than Kessler did pre-Calzaghe.:yep