Top 3 heavyweights by country

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  1. blackfella96

    blackfella96 Active Member Full Member

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    Dave Sands is a name who gets put in the conversation. Lucas Browne technically is the first Australian to have a World Title belt at Heavyweight despite getting caught with PEDs and is still in the history book as a world champion. Dave Sands, Lucas Browne and Joe Goddard probably get it for me. Poor choices but our Heavyweights haven't been great.
     
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  2. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    USA: Louis, Ali, Holyfield

    UK: Lewis fury aj

    Germany: Schmeling, Schulz, Dimitrenko

    Ukraine: wlad, vitali, glaskov

    Russia: Valuev, Ibragimov, masgaev

    Poland: golota, Adamek, wach

    Italy: primo, damiani, vidoz lol

    Spain: not sure

    Sweden: ingemar

    Argentina: not sure

    New Zealand: parker Tua Meehan

    Nigeria: Peter, Ike, izon

    Cuba: ortiz and ummmm solis?

    South Africa: coetzee, Botha, sanders
     
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  3. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wales - Tommy Farr, Joe Erskine and Dick Richardson
     
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  4. mr. magoo

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    Joe Frazier above Joe Louis ?
     
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  5. andrewe

    andrewe Ezekiel 33 banned Full Member

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    Yes. Achievement wise, Joe Louis should probably be above Frazier, but h2h Frazier all day.
     
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  6. RightLeftCombo

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    US: Ali, Louis, Holmes
    UK: Lewis, Fury, Joshua
    Russia: Povetkin, Ibragimov, Valuev
    Ukraine: The 2 Klitschkos, Vyrchys.
    Italy: Carnera, Damiani, Vidoz
    Canada: Langford, Ruddock, Chuvalo
    Germany: Schmeling, Schulz, Mildenberger.
    South Africa: Sanders, Coetzee, Botha
    Nigeria: Ibeabuchi, Peter, Izonritei
    Poland: Golota, Adamek, Szpilka
    Australia: Sands, Browne, Meehan
    Ireland: Sharkey, Rogan, Maher
    Sweden: Johansson, Wallin, Eklund
     
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  7. RightLeftCombo

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    Update. Australia: Jackson, Sands, Browne.
    Brave Kali misses out.
     
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  8. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good call on Glazkov. Yeah, he might be higher than Vyrchys. Not for sure though. Glazkov hadn't beaten anybody except of Adamek, who was a former LHW. He got a gift against Cunningham. I was rooting for him in that fight, but I always try to be objective. But Vyrchys also got a gift decision - against Michael Sprott. So... It's pretty tugh call. Anyway, Usyk will likely surpass them soon.

    But as for South African ranking, I can't see any way how anybody can rank Botha over Sanders. Just pure facts:

    - Sanders beat Botha 4 times in the amateurs (3 of them by KO)

    - Sanders had better win to loss ratio

    - Sanders won the title fair and square, Botha got an awful decision against Shulz and got caught using sterionds after the fight - so, he wasn't a champion

    - Sanders beat 4 world champions. Yes, only 1 of them was heavyweight (Wlad), other 4 were cruiserweights and two of those cruisers were shot (De Leon and Czyz). But it still much better than Botha's zero wins over champions. Plus Sanders had some other solid wins in his resume - Cooper, DuPlooy, Puritty, KO1 wins over Mike Williams, Sprott and Billups, who went the distance against Lennox Lewis. Botha's best win is a gift split decision decision over Mike Hunter. His second best win is a SD (this time it was fair decision) over Timo Hoffman. Botha's resume is VERY thin in wins column.

    - And lastly: 32-years-old Botha was dominated and knocked out by 25-years-old Wladimir Klitschko, while 37-years-old Sanders demolished Wlad in two rounds a year later.

    Can't see any possible way to rank Botha over Sanders
     
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  9. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    I just like Botha, such a nearly man. Sanders most likely is more accomplished.

    beat Schulz but was juiced to the gills, was clowning semi-shot Tyson till he got cocky and iced, drew with Briggs.

    Thing is I really like sanders too, dad bod, preferred golf, had a great nickname that suited him and his sneaky left, never feared no man.

    respect to both
     
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  10. RealDeal

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    H2H there are several guys who should be ahead of Frazier. For example, Foreman, Tyson, Holyfield, Holmes.
     
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  11. andrewe

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    Foreman definitely, Holyfield & Tyson maybe, but not Holmes. prime4prime Frazier beats Holmes.
     
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  12. Clinton

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    No love for Spain's Alfredo Evangelista?
     
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  13. Clinton

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    Sorry Lads I erred. I thought he was a Spaniard
     
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  14. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Both were warriors, no doubt about that. Sanders was more talented and more accomplished though
     
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  15. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    H2H is tricky thing. Fraizer might be a stylistic nightmare for Holmes, but Holmes might be a stylistic nightmare for Foreman. And we know Foreamn was one for Frazier
     
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