Top 30 All-time Greats: Hopkins grains grounds

Joe Louis and Ezzard Charles shouldn't be so high. They fought in terrible eras

 

Hopkins gained ground all right.... what a shame he's only going 12 rounds against self-admitted novices.

Hopkins is a torch-bearer for those of us who insist that skill is supreme in the sweet science. I for one hope he continues to school these athletes with poor trainers. Speaking of... how'd Roy do?

 

Asero you are terrible. No on cares about your shitty ATG list.

 

your list doesn't have Hearns. What kind of a list is this?

 

:deal WTF?

 

Pacquiao at 8? Seems a bit too high, especially considering you have Duran below him somehow.

 

i wouldnt have hearns in my top 25 either.

 

treat post stoney and roy did what roy always seems to do lately: get blow away. early rounds, late rounds.

hopkins is a brilliant student and technician. roy is/was a phenom. hopkins could do what he does til 50. roy should have stopped 8 years ago

 

If Roy had quit after the Ruiz fight, does go higher on the list? Is knowing when to retire part of the criteria?

If so, do Hopkins losses to Taylor and Calzaghe count against him or do only his victories, past a certain age, count for him?

 

good question man, and newer fighters seem to have different criteria than older fighters.

i try to judge fighters by their primes with post prime accomplishments featuring more prominently than loses when shot.

hopkins obviously has the former while jones has the latter. if we count hopkins accomplishments, then we have to factor in jones loses but to what degree?

I hate using ezzard charles as the example but his latter career loses don't factor much into his resume nor should jones'. however archie moores post 40 success is used to justify (and rightly) his lofty position

using a similar critiera, how did jones do in his prime vs how did hopkins do up until this point? It's a tough call for me

 

Level of competition/experience should be the single most important criteria in my mind. Longevity is also critical and ring generalship is just as important as longevity though not as important as experience.

Roy and Bernard are getting friendly with Duran as time goes on. Had Duran quit before he quit in round 8, 1980 would be higher than the fact that he went on for mostly bummy fights? I'd say no because of the gems he managed to polish later. Roy's gems aren't looking as good. He shoulda quit. His legacy is going to be one complicated mess in some ways. Hopkins dropped a few he shouldn't have, like Duran, but what he has accomplished is something else.... like Duran. The argument that Hopkins is beneath Jones just isn't looking so sure now. I just can't see it anymore.

What will be very interesting is looking at Hopkins after he retires and placing him. That ex-con is building a catapult for himself.

 

good comparison with duran. jones retiring after ruiz would be like duran retiring after hagler (or thereabouts) the only truly, notable win after being barkely (which is my second favourite duran fight/win

 

nah, he beat camacho too