Top 30 fighters P4P from 1980-present

McCallum was a brilliant technical all-rounder proven against other technical fighters. Floyd is clearly quicker but mainly beaten straight forward offensive types.

McCallum is the more proven technician IMO.

 

Who's the most skilled guy Money beat. A past it Golden Boy? Genaro Hernandez?

and I like Floyd. Like him more than Chang.

 

There's something that just seems right to me nowadays to make lists purely down to how good you think a fighter's ability was and entirely discounting "legacy"(whatever that ever really entailed) and longevity.It cuts to the heart of the matter on we rate fighters.

Anyway unless your strictly doing things by paper record ie number number of losses, title defences etc then it's basically the same thing anyway.In ranking fighters with the quality of fighters beaten and skillset as substantial factor's you're making the same personal subjective judgements on that fighter and every man he fought.Might as well trim away all the fat.

Then you could rest easy in rating ernesto Marcel in the top 20 Sweet:yep.Or Lopez for Flea and McGrain:yep

 

not watched it for a long time so I'm not gonna argue the case for toney winning.

 

Hoya got battered by Sturm imo but that was up at MW. Floyd is arguably the only man aside from Floyd to beat Hoya below 160 pounds. Then again I'm quite big on Oscar atm.

I thought the way Floyd finished down the stretch agaisnt a bigger man was very impressive.

 

This is all hypothetical, of course, but I just can't see Floyd with Mike's speed (or lack there of) do as well as McCallum did against fighter with the skill and ability of Kalambay or Toney. Damn, he probably wouldn't have gotten past Cotto even had he been as slow as McCallum was in his 30's. Compare McCallum-Watson to PBF-Cotto and tell me Floyd is "clearly more skilled". Just don't see it.

 

In the first Floyd had an injury he won the second quite clearly.

 

but, but marquez was p4p number 2!

on a serious note, now that I think about it, Floyd has only beaten offensive types.

you could be onto something there Flea :good

 

are you suggesting we all use Frank's criteria?

 

Twat!

 

How substantiated is the injury?

Anyhow, yes he won the rematch clearly, but I still think Castillo gave him problems and proved himself to be a difficult match-up. And then recently Cotto fought pretty much the same fight and proved to be Floyd's most difficult opponent probably since Castillo (Floyd won a wide decision on my card, but most rounds were quite close).

 

Enough so that I've no reason to doubt it.

I do think Floyd is some what past his best now and maybe a bigger skilled fighter would always give him problems, but he still overcame them problems in the ring.

 

Surely you've heard that particular rant before?!?!

He is Frank mate.

 

No, never. Literally like a light switch moment (no sarcasm)

Don't say that to me. I've only just gotten over the fact that Kally is ForemanHook. I don't think I could handle another loss like that.

 

What ??