Top 32 heavyweights of all time...fight

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  1. dwilson

    dwilson Guest

    Top 32 heavyweights of all time prime for prime tournament. Who would you have in it and which fighters would make up your quarter finals, semi finals, final and who would you expect to come out on top.

    Just picked up my boxing encyclopedia's and combined with my own knowledge and guess work im gonna go waste an hour and find out who is the greatest heavy of all time. See you in abit.
     
  2. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In no particular order
    1. Ali
    2. Louis
    3. Lewis
    4. Tyson
    5. Holyfield
    6. Holmes
    7. Foreman
    8. Frazier
    9. Johnson
    10. Marciano
    11. Dempsey
    12. Wlad
    13. Liston
    14. Wills
    15. Patterson
    16. Charles
    17. Wallcott
    18. Bowe
    19. Norten
    20. Bivins
    21. Schmeling
    22. Langford
    23. Baer
    24. Sharkey
    25. Carnera
    26. Burns
    27. Corbet
    28. Jeffries
    29. Johansson
    30. Cooper
    31. Folley
    32. Vitali

    It was alot tougher than what I thought it was going to be, this is the best list I could come up with.
     
  3. randeris

    randeris Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1Ali
    2Louis
    3Marciano
    4Dempsey
    5Tunney
    6Liston
    7Lewis
    8Holyfield
    9Patterson
    10Tyson
    11Frazier
    12Foreman
    13Jack Johnson
    14Langford
    15Corbett
    16Jeffries
    17Charles
    18Schmeling
    19Norton
    20Young
    21Johansson
    22Walcott
    23Baer
    24Braddock
    25Wladimir
    26Vitali
    27Bowe
    28Wills
    29Sharkey
    30Carnera
    31Burns
    32JOHN HUGGY BEAR RUIZ!!!
     
  4. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Winner; Ali
    Runner Up; Tyson

    Semis;

    Ali v Lewis
    Tyson v Marciano

    Quarters;

    Ali v Jack Dempsey
    Tyson v Joe Louis
    Marciano v Holyfield
    Lewis v Joe Frazier

    Last 16

    Ali v Foreman
    Tyson v Patterson
    Marciano v Jack Johnson
    Lewis v Larry Holmes
    Dempsey v Gene Tunney
    Joe Louis v Schmelling
    Holyfield v Ken Norton
    Frazier v Jim Jeffries

    Last 32

    Ali v Max Baer
    Foreman v Ingemar Johanson
    Tyson v Sam Langford
    Patterson v James Corbett
    Marciano v Ezzard Charles
    Jack Johnson v Joe Walcott
    Lewis v Riddick Bowe
    Larry Holmes v Earnie Shavers
    Dempsey v Harry Wills
    Gene Tunney v Bob Fitzsimmons
    Joe Louis v John L Sullivan
    Schmelling v Roy Jones Jr
    Holyfield v Wladimir Klitcschko
    Ken Norton v James Braddock
    Frazier v Henry Cooper
    Jim Jeffries v Archie Moore

    That was HARD!!!

    I really struggled after about 22ish...
     
  5. LennoxGOAT

    LennoxGOAT Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It wouldn't matter, because it would always end up with the championship fight of Ali and Lennox.
     
  6. MGUNZ48

    MGUNZ48 MGunz Full Member

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    My list, top ten only. In order, while I think some fighters could be beaten by fighters ranked below them due to style considerations. my picks from top to bottom.

    1. Ali
    2. Louis
    3. Holmes
    4. Marciano
    5. Frazier
    6. Dempsey
    7. Liston
    8. Foreman
    9. Lewis
    10. Holyfield
     
  7. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pretty good list, though Frazier is too high, and you find a way to throw Tyson in you top 10 somewhere.:good
     
  8. Marciano Frazier

    Marciano Frazier Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Excluding guys who are currently active and potentially still have career-defining fights ahead:
    1. Ali
    2. Louis
    3. Foreman
    4. Marciano
    5. Frazier
    6. Holmes
    7. Dempsey
    8. Jeffries
    9. Johnson
    10. Holyfield
    11. Liston
    12. Tyson
    13. Lewis
    14. Walcott
    15. Charles
    16. Bowe
    17. Patterson
    18. Schmeling
    19. Tunney
    20. Johansson
    21. Langford
    22. Max Baer
    23. Ken Norton
    24. Jack Sharkey
    25. Bob Fitzsimmons
    26. Harry Wills
    27. Elmer Ray
    28. Archie Moore
    29. Jerry Quary
    30. Jim Corbett
    31. Tim Witherspoon
    32. Tom Sharkey

    Taking that preliminary ranking as a seeding system, we'll go with 1 vs. 32, 2 vs. 31, etc., swapping with the next guy if it's a fight that actually happened. So, Round 1:

    1. Ali vs. Tom Sharkey (Ali UD 15)
    2. Joe Louis vs. Tim Witherspoon (Louis TKO 11)
    3. George Foreman vs. Jim Corbett (Foreman KO 4)
    4. Rocky Marciano vs. Jerry Quarry (Marciano TKO 9)
    5. Joe Frazier vs. Archie Moore (Frazier KO 12)
    6. Larry Holmes vs. Elmer Ray (Holmes UD 15)
    7. Jack Dempsey vs. Harry Wills (Ooh!) (Dempsey KO 6)
    8. Jim Jeffries vs. Jack Sharkey (Jeffries TKO 14)
    9. Jack Johnson vs. Bob Fitzsimmons (primes) (Johnson UD 15)
    10. Evander Holyfield vs. Ken Norton (Holyfield MD 15)
    11. Sonny Liston vs. Max Baer (Liston KO 7)
    12. Mike Tyson vs. Sam Langford (Tyson KO 3)
    13. Lennox Lewis vs. Ingemar Johansson (Lewis KO 2)
    14. Jersey Joe Walcott vs. Gene Tunney (Tunney SD 15)
    15. Ezzard Charles vs. Max Schmeling (Charles MD 15)
    16. Riddick Bowe vs. Floyd Patterson (Bowe TKO 4)

    Round 2:
    1. Muhammad Ali vs. Riddick Bowe (Ali UD 15)
    2. Joe Louis vs. Ezzard Charles (primes) (Louis UD 15)
    3. George Foreman vs. Gene Tunney (Foreman TKO 5, though high chance of an upset)
    4. Rocky Marciano vs. Lennox Lewis (tough call... Rocky KO 9)
    5. Joe Frazier vs. Mike Tyson (another one... Frazier TKO 12)
    6. Larry Holmes vs. Sonny Liston (Holmes UD 15)
    7. Jack Dempsey vs. Evander Holyfield (Ummm... Holyfield SD 15)
    8. Jim Jeffries vs. Jack Johnson (primes) (Johnson UD 15)

    A lot of those were close calls where I went with my gut (and usually my favorite), but it's my tournament, so why not? Round 3:

    1. Muhammad Ali vs. Jack Johnson (Ali MD 15)
    2. Joe Louis vs. Evander Holyfield (Louis TKO 14)
    3. George Foreman vs. Larry Holmes (Holmes UD 15)
    4. Rocky Marciano vs. Joe Frazier (Marciano SD 15)

    Round Four:
    1. Muhammad Ali vs. Rocky Marciano (Ali TKO 13 [cuts])
    2. Joe Louis vs. Larry Holmes (Louis SD 15)

    Final Round:
    Muhammad Ali vs. Joe Louis (Ali SD 15)

    Not surprisingly, Ali claims the victory after many close calls between great champions.
     
  9. greengloves

    greengloves Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you seriously believe that marciano even touches lennox h2h,i dont even think (unless it was one of lewis' off nights) that lennox struggles to win a round in this fight.
     
  10. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

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    I don't know, a peak Larry Holmes might have something to say about that.
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    1 - Muhammad Ali
    2 - Joe Louis
    3 - Sonny Liston
    4 - Lennox Lewis
    5 - Joe Frazier
    6 - Jack Johnson
    7 - Jim Jeffries
    8 - Mike Tyson
    9 - Larry Holmes
    10-Rocky Marciano
    11-Evander Hollyfield
    12-Peter Jackson
    13-Harry Wills
    14-Jack Dempsey
    15-George Foreman
    16-Max Schmeling
    17-Jersey Joe Walcott
    18-Gene Tunney
    19-Riddick Bowe
    20-James J Corbett
    21-Ezzard Charles
    22-Sam Mcvey
    23-Floyd Patterson
    24-Vitali Klitchko
    25-Joe Jeanette
    26-Wladimir Klitchko
    27-Max Baer
    28-Sam Langford
    29-Ken Norton
    30-Bob Fitzsimmons
    31-Jack Sharkey
    32-Sailor Tom Sharkey


    I'd expect Ali to win this tounrie if he didn't come unstuck against Louis. If he draws Louis in an earlier round, Louis could get him. Then it's wide open. Anyone of Lewis, Tyson, Liston probably one or two others could win it.

    Be good. I'd get the per view.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think a granite chinned pressure fighter with huge work rate who is difficult to hit clean would be a nightmare for Lewis.

    I pick Lennox, but I think you undersetimate Rocky in all kinds of ways here.
     
  13. Marciano Frazier

    Marciano Frazier Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That is a somewhat tough one to call in my eyes, since we haven't seen much of Marciano against real behemoth opponents. He did fight a few opponents who weighed over 220, and he demolished all of them, but even the very best of them were only fringe contender-level if you're being generous, so it hardly makes for a sound precedent as to his performance against a great champion like Lewis.

    However, assuming Marciano has time to prepare for Lewis, eg. maybe sparring with some very big guys and hitting the weights to come in at over 200 for the match (which I think Marciano would be very capable of doing effectively, particularly with more recent weight-training methods), I do believe he at least has a very strong chance at winning. Imagine if Tua were much better conditioned, more aggressive, busier, mentally stronger, more subtly skilled and possessed an elite two-handed arsenal of knockout punches- and let us not forget it only took Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman one punch apiece to take Lennox out.
     
  14. greengloves

    greengloves Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i dont think that a boxer standing below 6'0 and with such a reach disadvantage and size disadvantage ever gives lewis such a problem (im talking prime lewis here who is simply too big and too measured to allow marciano get inside him).i believe that lewis keeps marciano away with his piston like jab and throws many 1-2s on his way to a very comfortable UD.
     
  15. greengloves

    greengloves Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yes but we are talking about prime lennox,not the one who got knocked out who was illprepared and rather unwanting.