Top 400 All Time Greats

DINAMITA, Lets cut the crap and stop pussey footing around,
If i am wrong about something i will admit it, i have said on more than one occasion that i will change my list if any mistakes are pointed out to me.

Whist having a pop at some of sweet_scientists picks or lack of picks as the case my be, he responded to the {friendly} criticism of his list with the following quote,
''About my list, sure there's errors and oversights, as there is on everyone's, I'm not claiming to be perfect by a long shot''.

Lets see if you have got any balls ?, lets see how much of a man you are ? either admit you made an error in not picking those 5 boxers or defend your position, if you defend your position that either some or all are not good enough to be in a top 100, thats fine.

I will be honest i am trying to get you to either admit you made a mistake, which i would do, i geniunely would or defend your position, which would put you out of sink with some well known posters on here, of course you already realise that, thats why you will not answer the question.

By not answering the question everybody reading this thread knows the score, you have made a mistake and you are not man enough to admit it.

Because of your history of rudeness and nastyness towards me and my threads {criticism fine, continual nastyness not fine} i will throw the fact you have not got these boxers in your top 100 into every relevant thread you that you make, if you do not answer the question.
If you are man enough to answer the question i will move on as you put it, the choice is yours .:good

 

DINAMITA, just like i thought you have not got the balls to answer the question, it was your choice. Because of your history of rudeness and nastyness towards me and my threads {criticism fine, continual nastyness not fine} i will throw the fact you have not got these boxers in your top 100 into every relevant thread you that you make { if you do not answer the question}.

By not answering the question everybody reading this thread knows the score, you have made a mistake and you are not man enough to admit it.

Think of the consequences, you hijacking my threads and me hijacking your threads who needs ESB more, me or you ???
Dont think about offering a truce, as it would be akin to murdering somebody and then saying your sorry, dont send me to jail lets call it quits, dont be nasty back to me, because i dont like it.

You have left the door open by saying you will get 'so irritated that you will cave in and give you the explanations i desire, so come on be a man admit your mistakes {like the rest of us do} or defend your postion on the 5 boxers, you will gain some respect if you can bring yourself to answer,
if not be prepared to have your threads spoilt, you can spoilt my threads in retaliation, but we both know it will hurt you far more than it hurts me.
Eagerly awaiting your reply.

 

DINAMITA the truth about the list showing Hatton #101 and Joppy #143 was because after the Hopkins/Calzaghe bout, i could not believe the disrespect towards Calzaghe on this site at that time, so i created a list to show haters on the general 'boxing forum' look this is where Calzaghe stands in an all time list, it had to be a top 200 because at the time, some people were saying he would not make their top 100 {fair enough}, i figured that even the most biased of posters would be hard pressed not to have him in a top 200, that would be enough to make some haters stop and think top 200 all time 'he must be good', and give the boxer some respect.
If i had done a bona-fide list i would have ended up with lots of old boxers that most of the people that i was targeting would not have heard of and i would have had virtually no responce, so i needed a list with the best of the current crop as well as the all time greats to stimulate conversation, interest, debate etc.

Thats the truth behind the 'impossible task' thread, if you dont believe me and think that i thought that Hatton,Joppy,Kessler and Bute are between 100-200 all time greats, then fine, tell the forum in your reply just that .

Now to the interesting bit, like i said in the original post and you now know from my cutting and pasting that the TOP 100 - ''IN SOME SORT OF ORDER''
PLACES 100-200 - ''DIFFICULT TO CATEGORIZE''
PLACES 200-400 - ''VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO RANK''

All the boxers you mention have 'trampie' rankings of 340 plus, and are very hard to rank, all the boxers between 200-400 have been ranked in my 'minds eye', very few boxers between 200 and 400 have been googled or boxrec'd by myself.
But you have picked on some good examples for me to explain,
I remember Junior Jones for having two victories over Marco Antonio Barrera #102 on my list and top 100 on most lists, Junior Jones was a multiple belt holder well worth his place on the list.
Cory Spinks, i remember Cory for unifying all the belts when he beat Mayorga, i also remember him beating Zab Judah, i think he is worth a place on the list.
Sharmba Mitchell, had two cracks at Tszyu, the first one been memorable because Sharmba broke his knee, in a much hyped unification battle, but on checking his record, to reply to you, it is poor, and he should not be on a top 400 list.
Wlad Klitscho, to my minds eye has not faced anybody good, an old Chris Byrd being about the best he has faced, i dont like his robotic style, Wlad is far more deserving of a top 400 spot than Sharmba is {now that i have checked them out}
I have a big problem with all the little Mexicans plus Pacman, they are always fighting each other and always beating each other, most people think they are all great, i think they are merely very good, not one of them is dominant over the other ones, if one of them was i would have them in my top 100.
JM Marquez 0-1 Pacman and a draw
Morales 1-2 Pacman
JM Marquez 1-0 Barrera
Barrera 2-1 Morales
People either rank Pac,Barrera and Morales as all top 100 or none of them in the top 100, like in my case, because they are quite evenly matched, J M Marquez who i stated without prompting from anybody, had just missed out on the top 400, on reflection belongs on the list.

So its over to you now DINAMITA, your turn to answer why no Packey,Peerless,George,Abe and Beau in your top 100 ?

 

So i take your not going to answer my questions ?

That proves you have got no balls, were you not the guy, that started a thread talking about poofs, that thread plus the fact you have got no balls tells me that you are a ******.

 

Lying about what exactly ***GOTT

 

120,000 people attended Jim Driscolls funeral in what was possibly the biggest funeral Wales had ever seen, his coffin covered in the 'union jack' was placed onto a gun carriage and headed on a 2 mile procession through the City headed by the band of the 2nd battalion of the Welch Regiment.
Places of business closed, the great and the good were in attendance, the funeral had all the hallmarks of a state funeral yet Jim was born the son of Irish immigrants.

'Peerless' Jim Driscoll 'the peoples champion' won the British featherweight title twice {gave title up} had avenged his only controversial defeat and had won what was billed as the British version of the World featherweight title, before going to America, where is reputation as a boxer had preceded him, he easily beat every American put in front of him, Abe Atell was the World Champion at that time, Atell would only fight Jim in a 10 round no-decision contest, without his title been at stake {America had a no decision rule in place at the time, a winner only being declared if there was a KO}
Jim Driscoll dominated Atell, most observers say Jim won all 10 rounds,
Nat Fleischer commented that Driscoll was easily the best and was the best featherweight in the World.
Jim Driscoll was offered a rematch with the World title at stake {Atell had no choice as everybody knew who was the real champion} but Jim had promised to go back home to Wales to fight in an exhibition to raise money for an orphanage {Nazareth House}, he stunned the boxing World and kept his promise to raise money for the orphans.
After a few more fights he ended up fighting fellow Welsh great 'Fearless' Freddie Welsh who would go on to become World lightweight champion.
The match was a grudge match, the boxers were initialled friends but the rivalry between supporters of both boxers plus the hype in the press lead to a dirty, ugly fight, Freddie was determined to win by any means legal or illegal, Jim was getting no protection from the ref, and in the end gentleman Jim headbutted Freddie Welsh in frustration and was disqualified, there was rioting all over Cardiff after the fight {this may not just have been Jims supporters unhappy about the outcome, as Freddie had proberbly a lot of valley boys in town there to support him}
Jim went on to win the Longsdale belt outright and the European title, the 1st World War deprived him of a chance of fighting for the World title, he joined the army and did not box for 6 years, after the war he fought a couple of fights but was in bad health and nearly 40 years old.

Jim Driscoll has streets named after him in his home town, he has statues of himself in his hometown, at the front of his huge funeral he had 100 children from the Nazareth House orphanage and to this day nuns from the orphanage tend to his grave.


Packey McFarland had 104 fights in his career and lost just one, he beat Jack Britton twice and had one draw, the boxrec report for one of their fights says Packey won every round accept one whch was even, Packey also had wins over Welsh, Kilbane and Britt.


George Dixon was the first black World boxing champion, ranked by Nat Fleischer as the #1 All Time greatest bantamweight.


Beau Jack headlined a record 21 times at MSG, he fought Bob Montgomery in a fight that set the record for gate receipts.

Hope this fits the bill for you TommyV, the write ups on the first 3 boxers are from recent posts of mine in the last couple of weeks.

 

No answer TommyV after me going to all that trouble to educate you, do you have a view on Driscoll, Beau Jack, McFarland and Dixon ? why do you want to know about them ?

 

sweet_scientist has Packey McFarland at #37
McGrain has Packey McFarland #57
trampie has Packey McFarland #43
DINAMITA does not have Packey McFarland in his top 100

sweet_scientist has Jim Driscoll at #36
McGrain has Jim Driscoll at #69
trampie has Jim Driscoll at #45
DINAMITA does not have Jim Driscoll in his top 100

sweet_scientist has George Dixon at #49
McGrain has George Dixon at #31
trampie has George Dixon at #35
DINAMITA does not have George Dixon in his top 100

sweet_scientist has Abe Attell at #71
McGrain has Abe Attell at #56
trampie has Abe Attell at #65
DINAMITA does not have Abe Attell in his top 100

sweet_scientist has Beau Jack at #85
McGrain has Beau Jack at #81
trampie has Beau Jack at #78
DINAMITA does not have Beau Jack in his top 100

Some of these boxers are top 50 ATG, not boxers in the 90's that may just miss the top 100 cut on some lists ? :roll:

Carpentier, Morales, Bivins, James Toney and Benny Lynch in your top 100 and Packey McFarland only one defeat in over 100 fights {who beat Jack Britton twice, Britton is #47 on your list :roll:, Packey also has wins over Owen Moran, Freddie Welsh, Kilbane and Britt} yet Packey is not in your top 100 ???, the highest ranked boxer in the above lists is Peerless Jim Driscoll at #36 yet you dont think that this classy boxer is worthy of a place in your top 100 when James Toney and Benny Lynch are.