Top 5 Bantamweights, head to head?

Olivares and Jofre are the clear one and two head to head.

 

Big fan of Zarate's but what what did Zamora do afterwards? I think Zarate could of consolidated his greatness if he carried on after the Pintor fight.
By the way, I think he was unlucky in the Gomez fight, bad night for Harry Gibbs IMO.

 

Even though he was young and raw at this weight, I'd probably put Jeff Fenech in the top 5, simply because I think he would beat all the boxer types and seriously push anyone without a massive punch. Who knows, at this weight he might have even taken the big hitters' shots.

As for Zarate not having a decent resume: maybe from an all time perspective that's true, but imo his resume still shits on any bantamweight's that has come down the line since - I of course am granting him the Pintor win in saying that.

 

No, I disagree. Orlando Canizales has a better overall resume than zarate, you'll prolly say zarate would win head to head, irrelevant to me, canizales has the better resume. He defended his belts against contenders, he didnt fight construction workers his whole career.

 

I seriously need to watch more Fenech.

ust been watching some Zarate and he is in my top 4, heres my lowdown on him.

Hes a big tall, rnagy stand up boxer-puncher. Hard puncher definitly dangerous with either hand (especially the left) and to head and body. I like the way he keeps the pressure on subtly by being in front of his opponent by doing something either moving or feinting, he fights the whole 3 minutes. He also has a very educated left hand he is able to jab and hook and even uppercut with it whilst leading and can almost do anything off his jab, involving the left hand. The left hook to the body is beautiful, I love the way he whips it in and steps forward as he does it, really powerful shot.

However, he is not the best judge and controller of distance, he is too often fighting at the wrong rnage, especially inside where he would do better if he got abit more room and leverage on his shots. Although saying that he mixes up his combos really well, he throws in hooks,uppercuts with either hand and mixes it to head and body. He is dangerous with every punch to any area IMO, a real banger. He also takes a great shot and has good stamina ('fighting' 3 minute sin the round demonstartes this and highlights it aswell as tiring oppoennts). One thing I dont like is he can be vulnerable straight down the middle to the jab which isnt a god sign from such a good fighter.

Anyway, I really think he matches up well to Olivares, he can take Olivares bombs, hurt Olivares and outlast him. I also think Zarate vs Manuel Ortiz is a very interesting match up.

So lads, who you got?

Zarate vs Ortiz over 15.



Personally I think this is th ebest match up out of any 'top Bantamweights H2H'. I think both guys have strengths and weaknesses that contrast well with each other. A guy Ortiz will come to Zarate to get inside and that to be is a 'no-no' but Ortiz has a lovely jab and can hit Zarate with it and then fall in, Zarate I feel needs to keep this at range but ruggle to do and probably fall into Ortiz's trap of going on the inside and pushing Ortiz backiz does most of his work on the inside going back where he can take advanatge of his good fooot positioning and come back with ice right uppercuts and bang the body with hooks. Zarate however gets the momentum coming forward and can mix up his combos well and with Ortiz's croos-arm guard may find a spot for his left hook to the body and as ortiz leans his head into the other guys shoulder a Zarate uppercut could do some damage if Zarate steps back.
Right now, I'm leaning towards an Ortiz decision. Just think he might be abit too coy for Zarate in controlling the ring and distance and can win the inside battle, although a hard shot from Zarate could turn it on its head.

Anyone else got thoughts on it?

 

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GPater You are right about Manny Ortiz...A GREAT bantamweight champ of the1940s...He once went through forty six bouts losing once to the great 126lb champ Willie Pep. I used to hear that Manny Ortiz liked his liquor, but in his prime was tops...How do you like the lower weights in my favorite era
Bantam= Ortiz
Feather = Pep
Light W =Ike Williams[uncuffed]
Welter=some unknown named Ray Robinson
Saw them all several times, except Manuel Ortiz,but he belongs in their company.....

 

Zarate beat: Zamora, Martinez, Davila, Ferrari, Cabanella, Amores, and probably should've gotten the nod over Pintor.

Canizales beat: Seabrooks, Bohol, Adams, Minus, Hardy, Gonzalez, and had close fights with Jones and Vazquez.

They fought a similar amount of solid fighters, the quality of Zarate's top opponents being clearly higher than that of Canizales. What is your case?

 

Ortiz really is good. Theres some footage on Youtube of him.

Also whos that Ray Robinson, cant say i have heard much on him.

 

Zamora, Martinez and Davilla stand head and shoulders above anyone Canizales beat IMO