TOP 5 best British boxers ever

Not in order and only 4
Jack kid berg
Ted kid Lewis
Lennox Lewis
Jimmy Wilde

 

I wouldn't rank Hamed anywhere close to where you would as he never beat anyone remotely close to a great fighter, and was exposed by one. But this is a British boxers thread, and I'm surprised anyone would ever rank Hamed over Fitsimmons.

 

If Boxrec had written it you would accept it? Yet you won't accept this taken from Boxrec?

Riddick Bowe, who wasted the world heavyweight championship by overeating and not training hard enough, became a major player in the tangled boxing game tonight by smashing his way over Herbie Hide to win the World Boxing Organization version of the crown.

It was a game performance by the overmatched Briton, who was knocked down seven times and finally was counted out at 2 minutes 25 seconds of the sixth round.
HYPOCRITE.

 

Gibberish.

 

You said it yourself, "...very decent opponents" which is exactly that, very decent, nothing special, nothing more nothing less. I love it when Hamed fans bring up Kelly, probably Hamed's best victory. In the 2 1/2 years before fighting Hamed, Kelly was stopped by Alejandro Gonzalez, was dropped and almost stopped by 12 2 with 2 ko losses Ricardo Rivera, had a 2nd round technical draw with Tommy Parks in which Kevin was dropped early, and drew with Bones Adams. All of the opponents you listed simply weren't very good when Hamed fought them. I love that you mentioned Tom Johnson, who was 33 when he fought Hamed and hadn't beaten anyone of note for a long time. Vasquez was how old and had how many ko losses by the time he fought Hamed? And Kessler was light years better than any of Hamed's victims when Hamed got around to fighting them.

 

I'm beginning to catch on, Mac

 

I've been following boxing since 1983 and won't comment on fighters I've seen snippets of on video.

83 to now.

Joe Calzaghe
Lennox Lewis
Nigel Benn ( won titles at 2 weights overseas.)
Carl Froch
Hatton.

 

Ted kid lewis
Lennox lewis
Jimmy wilde
Joe calzaghe
Fitzsimmons

 

So what the Kelly fight was entertaining? Ricardo Rivera dropped and almost knocked out a better version of Kevin than the one that fought Hamed. In the case of Johnson, 33 isn't old for a featherweight? And just before Hamed, he had a TD draw against someone named Javier Martinez. And so what about Rigondeaux, as GR has had less than 20 fights. Talk to me when he's had more than twice that many like Johnson had had at that point in his career. As far as Adams is concerned, in the 2 years leading to the Kelly fight, he'd been stopped 3 times and had a draw against Edwin Santana. Vazquez was 37 when he fought Hamed. 37, which is ancient for a feather weight, plus he had lost to Antonio Cemeno at 122 just a couple of years beforehand. Remember, it's not just the name of the person someone fought, it's when someone fights them as well. Hamed's resume is full of past it alphabet holders or fellows that weren't anything special in the 1st place. In 2 of the 3 fights leading up to Hamed, Bungu won a split decision against Ernesto Grey and a majority decision against Danny Romero. Those. 2 were good, not great fighters and those fights were at 122.

 

As far as Ingle is concerned, he was tough, but limited. His resume is nothing special, and he was stopped only a year after Hamed. Soto was another limited tough guy. He had 7 losses(including one against the aforementioned Espinosa) and 2 draws going into the Hamed fight. And when it was obvious to Hamed he wasn't going to knock Soto out, Hamed took the dirty way out and turned it into a wrestling match. And just after Hamed, he went on a bad losing streak, except for one draw. Wayne McCullough, a fighter that I love, was a great bantamweight and a good super bantam that had lost a tough fight at 122 against a past it Daniel Zaragoza before he fought Hamed. Funny you mentioned Medina, who was a decent alphabet belt holder that would win a title fight, then lose one. He himself had lost to Espinosa 2 fights before Hamed, lost to Espinosa(again) 2 fights afterwards and then was stopped by Derrick Gainer. Problem with Hamed is that he fought some pretty good fighters that were past it or nothing special in the 1st place. If Hamed had had a career defining fight against a special prime fighter, I would agree with you, but he doesn't, and it's that simple.

As far as Kessler is concerned, he was clearly better than anyone Hamed defeated, especially when Hamed fought them. He was undefeated going into the (prime) Calzaghe fight, which was a unification, was never stopped, and only lost to Ward and Froch, 2 guys that are also better than anyone Hamed defeated. No worries though, as we will just agree to disagree. I've a feeling this is going around in circles.

 

Honestly, I've never seen a guy defending the resume of a featherweight that beat so many past it super bantamweights. But if that's your criteria, rock on. Anyway, as far as this conversation goes, Ingle's resume is quite weak, and was stopped again a year after he fought Hamed. Soto was hard as a rock and solid, but after he fought Hamed, he lost 8 of his next 9 fights with the one exception being a draw. McCullough was a great bantamweight, but was beaten several times at feather, not just by Hamed, and even eventually moved back down to 122. Medina lost a bunch of times before and after fighting Hamed. As far as Froch is concerned, he's certainly a better SMW than Bungu and McCullough were featherweights. I don't know why you mentioned Barrera because he embarrassed Hamed. Vasquez had done his best work at 122, was 37 when he fought Hamed and was stopped at 126 2 years after he fought Hamed. Ingle and Kelley were both stopped more than once in their careers. Froch was never stopped. Facts are facts but we'll have to continue to agree to disagree.

 

All I said about Calzaghe is that when he fought Kessler, Mikkel was better than anyone Hamed fought when he fought them. I don't have to mention Johnson again as he was 33 when he fought Hamed. And you didn't bring him up in your responses again, either. That s why I didn't address him again. If you don't want to admit 33 is ancient for a featherweight, fair play to you. And when Calzaghe fought Kessler, Kessler was clearly a better 168 pounder than Bungu, McCullough and Vasquez were featherweights when they fought Hamed. I didn't bring up Roy Jones in the conversation, because he's irrelevant here as he was shot to ****. But 2 things: 1. If you saw the fight, you'd know he knocked Calzaghe down with a forearm smash, not a punch. 2. I notice you're not mentioning the fact that Calzaghe himself was past his best and was 37 when he fought Jones. Actually, you're mentioning Hamed's fighting MAB because he "dared to fight a boxer of such a caliber", even though he embarrassed Hamed? Cheers. I mention Froch because you mentioned that he wasn't good defensively, but he was a very good fighter with a granite cheer that Kessler split a pair or bouts with. Well, at least you admit that Bungu, McCullough and Vasquez were past their best when they fought Hamed. Steve Robinson had almost half as many losses as he did victories when he fought Hamed. And his list of victims demonstrates how thin the division was then. Just because Hamed was a big star, that doesn't make him the greatest fighter. He was exposed and embarrassed by the best fighter he fought. It's that simple. But we will just have to agree to disagree. Cheers

 

Wilde
Fitzsimmons
Lewis
Conteh
Hamed

 

No question p4p Barrera is above Calzaghe, Kessler, Hamed and anyone else we have discussed here. I cannot see anyone trying to contradict that. Having written that, I still don't understand why you bring him up, simply because he embarrassed Hamed. But anyway, just for the record, the Hamed that was embarrassed by MAB was 10 years younger than the Calzaghe that beat Hopkins. Other than that, your post is all over the place and doesn't disprove anything I've written. We are simply going to have to agree to disagree because neither of us is going to convince the other of his opinion. However if you would like to continue this discussion, ok.

 

Froch was the number 6 ranked super middleweight Taylor the number 5. Taylor stopped Eduard in Feb2005 and he fought Froch in April 2009.So more misinformation from you.