Top 5 greatest boxers ever

1 Greb
2 Pep
3 Robinson
4 Armstrong
5 Marciano

 

LOL

 

1 Harry Greb
2 Sugar Ray Robinson
3 Benny Leonard
4 Tony Canzoneri
5 Willie Pep

 

The most racist and ignorant top 5 I've ever seen, did your missus leave you for a black man or something?

 

Why Armstrong number 3 bro?

Not hating on it, just curious.

 

Sorry for the wait pal, I saw this earlier. I'm just doing my college enrollment.

Well, for me, it's coz he's obliterated a guy who I have top 15 P4P, beaten another guy who's top 50, two top 80, and another top 100. Obviously those are the main highlights, but he basically went 100 fights or so where he almost exclusively beat ranked fighters. It's an amazing résumé. He also the smaller guy in most of them.

But the big thing is that he was a simultaneous undisputed champion at three of the original 8 divisions (which spans 20+lbs) and made 20 defences of a title he was too small for, and was robbed in the rematch vs Garica where he would've added the middleweight title to his collection. It's such a unique and remarkable achievement on its own. Even whilst past his prime, he was able to beat ATGs like Joyce, Angott and Zivic.

I can't see him below #5 TBH, and when comparing his achievements side-by-side with Charles and Robi, I think he comes out on top. Although after many hours of soul searching and (failed) mental gymnastics, I'd probably put Robinson over Charles.

 

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr
3. Oscar De La Hoya
4. Julio Cesar Chavez
5. Roy Jones Jr

 

Depends on your personal criteria. On resume Id personally go:

Robinson
Greb
Armstrong
Langford
Charles

 

Prime Tyson
Larry Holmes
GGG
Hagler
Camacho

 

Awesome write up mate!

Is Wolgast the top 15er?
You know, I had a lot of biases against that era for a long time, but the more I learn, the more they disappear, and you can't argue with those achievements.

This bit always bugs me out though.
I mean he didn't defend those belts simultaneously, as far as I'm aware, so it always seemed like a weird distinction to me.
I'm probably missing something though.

**** if you are putting him ahead of Charles, theres gotta be something to it .
Ima do some more research today see if I come to the same conclusion.

What you gonna be studying bro?

 

Lololol

 

Cheers!

Nah, Wolgast is probably top 60 (I can't remember if I had him at 60 or 50), but he was old and fat by then that the win means very little. Although he did beat Arizmendi around that time, who's probably top 100.

The top 15er I was talking about was Barney Ross. Coming out on top of McLarnin and Canzoneri is insane, plus he's pretty clearly the best 140er ever IMO. There's a tiny amount of controversy around some of his wins, but nothing that you'd need to know when rating him.

TBF, I have similar biases to the earliest stages of the sport (1880-1910s) but it's important to note that they are fighting to completely different rulesets. It's like comparing football to American football. Different sports, same name.

And yeah, some of the guys who fought after the Walker Law, are insane. The Walker Law basically modernised the sport in 1920, and after the new rules became mandatory and people learnt to adapt to them the sport starts to look like it does now.

Well, I get what you're saying but the criticism is bit unnecessary IMO. Did he really need to defend his featherweight title? He jumped up 20lbs and beat the Welterweight champion, and he'd already cleaned out the featherweight division before winning the title. After he beat Ross, he dropped down and beat Ambers for the lightweight title. Ambers was the top 50 guy I mentioned BTW.

Whilst defending his welterweight title, he basically fought both lightweights and welterweights. Most people would get criticism for fighting smaller guys, but Armstrong never even weighed above 140 in his whole career IIRC. And he did actually defend the lightweight title a couple times.

Well, yeah.

To be honest, it's more his opponents that you'd need to dig into. I'd try and give you some pointers, but it'd take ****ing forever, so I'll just PM you some names to have a look into.

Just enrolled in a plumbing course, although that's just gonna be my job. I'm doing a boxing judging course when the amateur season starts up again.

 

1) Manny Pacquiao
2) Sugar Ray Robinson
3) Roberto Duran
4) Henry Armstrong
5) Muhammad Ali