Top 5 Greatest Fighters

I think maybe it was for insults again, but wait the kicker is, he just got out of the 2 week penalty box this morning, now he's right back in it … poor guy

 

Even though I don't agree, everybody has their criteria and they are great fighters

 

The fact that Hearns came up further in weight is a fair point but the age thing is meaningless. Theres is absolutely no proof that Hill was different at 27 than he was at 34. Again Hill's best win came when he was 36 or 37.

 

so you go against the others who say he was past his prime and bulked up and at a disadvantage once he moved up to welterweight and junior middleweight and middleweight.

Look at the fights. Virgil does not look as fresh and sharp as he was in say 1988 or 1989. He had declined and he was being hit cleaner than he ever had been..
25 fights is an example of a lot of wear and tear and most of those fights were 12 rounds. So that would be 200 rounds just in championship fights. And like I said, it was not arbitrary, he was slowing down and getting hit more. Same as Hagler was slipping when he fought Mugabi.

 

You can see it when you look at the fight. Hill was more on his toes when he was younger and his punches looked sharper. Hill's best win came at 36 and 37 perhaps, because he could not beat Hearns. Which would have been his best win obviously.

 

Hopkins is a very good win in hindsight but he was no-where near what he become. He hit his straps about 2yrs later and wasn't recognized as something special until probably 9 years after the Jones fight tho he'd been fighting at a consistently very high level for 6 years.

Jones was fighting at an ATG level even as early as his short stint at middleweight. His incredible talent had things coming very very easily to him. This is why so many of us pick him over some ATG's even at 160.

Antonio Becerra beat Salvador Sanchez in his 19th pro fight and Sanchez was never beaten again. Nobody rates Becerra on this - barely anyone has even heard of him. Examples are infinite.

I would have thought Hill was on the wane by that time but am happy to be proven otherwise. Very impressive win tho.

 

Hagler's win over Hearns is immensely better than Jones win over Hopkins. It's not even remotely close. If Jones came down and beat Hopkins around the Trinidad time after he was fully appreciated it would be another matter entirely.

Jones win over Toney is immense tho.

 

Toney is a "good" win? The sun is a little bit warm too

 

In the 70s we had season tix to the Philadelphia Flyers. They had a great player in and out of the box; Dave Schultz. Do you think this George character is actually the beloved "Hammer"?

 

Welcome back, George

 

Lol. Good man urself. Great to see you up and running again

 

Oh I remember the Broad st Bullies. I was more into hockey than boxing. No way in hell George could be mistaken for the "Hammer", nor Behn Wilson, Dave Brown, or Rick Tocchet for that matter... No I would say he is more the Ken Linesman type of guy, aka "The Rat"

 

Fighting above your best weight class doesn't have anything to do with being out of your prime. Durans prime clearly ends somewhere between the Laing fight and Hearns fight

200 Championship rounds is another arbitrary cutoff? As for him getting hit more this is extremely soft evidence and is easily explained by thw fact that he was fighting better competition. Outside of Hearns all his best opponents were in the mid to late 90s; Roy Tiozzo Maske Dariusz heck even Tate and Del Valle were monsters compared to the guys he was fighing in the 80s

??? And if he would of beat Roy that would be his best win. Whats your point?

Lol that wasnt for a world title. Jones vs Hopkins was for a world title. If you are challenging for a world title 99.9% you are not "pre prime"