Top 5 Heavyweights Off All Time

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  1. ya-ni

    ya-ni Guest

    Can't see lewis in a top 5 or 10 after ducking vitali,,,sure it was the end lewis career, but vitali retired him, i sure without the whipping he took at the hands of vitali, he would of fought a few more fights. I sure he would of fought sanders at the very least....But vitali put a stop to that, for this reason i always place vitali above lewis when i make a top ten or in lewis case top 20 list.....
     
    ya-ni, Aug 15, 2008
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  2. LennoxGOAT

    LennoxGOAT Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So by your logic we should discredit Ali, Tyson, Holyfield, etc....for all sucking later in the careers? :huh

    Yet Lennox, when every other great (sans a very select few) fought the very best in the division, ****ed up his face like he was using a knife, and won....gets discredited. Go back to watching women's tennis...
     
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  3. smiffy

    smiffy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    madness . lewis didn't fight him again because the knew he'd come to the end of the road, 5 years earlier he would have whipped him.
     
    smiffy, Aug 15, 2008
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yes.

    If I were listing HW champions, then I wouldn't have Liston in there, but I'm not, i'm listing champs.

    Liston cleared out the division as completely as Max Baer or Mike Tyson ever did. He beat every contender in the divisio as challanger. He has the best pair of wins over a fellow great at any weight, ever, in the dual first round KO wins over Floyd Patterson. He was only ever dominated once by the greatest HW of all time.

    He was in with contender material within 15 fights and maintained a winning record (no Armstrong like learning curve for Liston - and he had no Amatuer pedegree either. Absolutley extroardinary, close to unparalleled).

    Head to head i rate him in the absolute top clutch.

    Liston should be anywhere from 3-6 on a list not accounting the title reign and nowhere on a list considering only title reigns.
     
    McGrain, Aug 15, 2008
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  5. ya-ni

    ya-ni Guest

    No if lewis came back an took his whipping like a man in a rematch, i could rate lewis higher then vitali, cause vitali was champ for a short time,,,,,but lewis took off instead of fighting a guy who was beating him on the score cards an deserved a rematch,,,,,I rather watch woman tennis then some ***** like lewis who ducks a vitali:deal ,,,,,an to put ali tyson an holyfield in the same context with lewis is sick,,no those guys would of gave vitali a rematch..:hi:
     
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  6. smiffy

    smiffy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    do you actually like boxing ?
     
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  7. LennoxGOAT

    LennoxGOAT Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Once again, go back to women's tennis because you don't get it.

    Lennox was 38 ****ing years old and fought the next best fighter in the division in his prime and ****ed his face up so bad the fight had to be stopped. 38 years old dumbass! Once again, 38 years old. Go back and do some resume checking and see what every other ATG was doing at 38. Do that. Then go back to watching Navratilova highlights...
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Women's tennis wierdness aside, this is an accurate post. Lewis smashed Vitali up and then retired because he was slipping. Didn't he take this fight on short notice, too?

    Sounds like a recipe for disaster for the stage of his career it was fought at.
     
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  9. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali wouldn't give Foreman a rematch.
     
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  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    True, it was a kind of a duck. Although Foreman was far from magical after Ali bossed him.
     
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  12. Sweet Pea

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    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Larry Holmes
    4. Lennox Lewis
    5. Rocky Marciano
    6. Jack Johnson
    7. Jack Dempsey
    8. George Foreman
    9. Sonny Liston
    10. Tyson/Frazier(switchable)
     
    Sweet Pea, Aug 15, 2008
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  13. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Marciano
    Ali
    Tyson
    Dempsey
    Frazier
     
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  14. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is idiotic in the extreme. An over the hill, somewhat out of shape Lewis who is far older than many champs takes on a very tough contender and rearranges his face..and he gets discredited for it??

    Boxing's not obviously not your sport if you can't appreciate what an achievement that was. As for Vitali, if he did what he needed to do, which was to take Lewis out in the second round, we wouldn't even be discussing a rematch. As for placing Vitali above Lewis, I've heard the pro Klitschko crown say Vitali was robbed every since the fight ended, but this is the FIRST TIME I ever heard anyone put Vitali ahead of Lewis in terms of career accomplishments or to even believe Lewis would loose to Vitali in his prime. Would he have lost a rematch..hard to say..a rematch could have gone either way..but there would have been absolutely no upside of Lewis to have taken the fight. If he lost, he ends his career on a loss which no one wants to do, and if he won, well he already won, so no big deal. So the reward/risk scenario was such that only an egotistical manic would have taken a rematch..cause Lewis had pretty much nothing to gain and was getting older by the day, and Vitali had everything to gain.
     
    Vanboxingfan, Aug 15, 2008
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  15. kosaros

    kosaros Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    why should he of given vitali a rematch? i mean the cut saved vitali from being knocked out not the other way around.

    and im sure a 39 year old lewis who trained for a couple of months would have beaten him again.
     
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