Top 5 most overrated boxers of All Time

It was YOUR bull**** remember?

Or do you need a reminder?

What "question"??

Let me guess: You're trying to divert the focus on some non-existent question to deflect from the fact that you just got shot down, correct?

I don't know; Pryor never gave us a chance to find out, remember?

Always when the guy has already turned the fight down.

He had ALREADY accepted the year before, remember??

If PRYOR had been man enough to accept then he wouldn't have to throw a fit at a press conference. :nut

 

No, I spoke the truth. lalonde wasnt worth 50 grand. he wasnt marketable-period and we never saw or heard from him again

how long was he on the public stage for-15 minutes?

Yeah look I take Leonard's challange as serious as some coward hurling threats while he's riding away on his bike

Now back to the question you were afraid to answer: If Pryor is getting around 500 K, what was Leonard's cut?

600-750K perhaps?

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No, you spoke a LIE.

So how had he already made $300,000 then?? :rofl

He was marketable enough to make $300,000.

Long enough to make $300,000.

If that bike-rider has just tossed $500,000 at your feet, maybe.

You mean the "When was Lalonde worth 50 grand" question? :rofl

You tell me. I never heard after Pryor turned down the initial $500,000.

 

Exactly. Thanks for your support Rooster. I'm glad you agree that Leonard would've caught Nunn pulling his head back with his hands down at some point, hurt him, and then proceeded to do an "Andy Price" on him. As you know all too well, Nunn was absolutely clueless when hurt. I know you know all this stuff, so forgive me, this post is mainly for less informed posters.

I respectfully have to disagree though about Hagler. Hagler was slightly past it in '87. Leonard of course had his own problems of inactivity. All things being equal, it was a close fight which Leonard of course won.

Prime for prime though, I think we're talking a 15 round fight here and in that case, I'd favor Hagler slightly. I think you underrate Hagler just a tad.

I appreciate your support though as always.

 

Me lie? I dont have to lie. If I were in your position having to cover all your other lies, then it would be convenient for me

Look, I realize you've done everything you could to make your story look credible. And I know realize how much it means to you that I believe you but it just aint going to happen

No man with any self respect turns down another man openly in public unless he's afraid. Obviously, the "offer" he made was to save face for his cowardice

 

it's such a shame that his eye prevented all those future fights from coming off. Especially Hagler, lalonde, and that 3rd Leonard Duran fight we were looking forward to

Nunn KO 1 SRL

 

Three come to mind:

Ray Leonard
Rocky Marciano
Jersey Joe Walcott

Leonard was in a different class than the other two, in that he was an excellent boxer, but his elevation to legendary status is undeserved and the product of media hype. He was good looking and well-coached in presentation of self in a white-dominated media market. He was bankable, and in a society obsessed with glitz, he filled a niche. The sports world needed another Ali, and Leonard was good enough to fit the bill (but not great enough!). But after being dominated by the former lightweight champion Roberto Duran and looking clueless against an emaciated Tommy Hearns for 10 of 12 rounds the hype was busted. The fallacy of his greatness was cemented his dramatic losses to a shopworn Hearns (in the rematch) and Norris, fights that found Leonard four times on the canvas.

Marciano's legendary status is completely undeserved. He was a small crusierweight who reigned in a weak era and fought old or shopworn fighters. Walcott, who was twice knocked out by Marciano, is undeserving of his reputation as a great boxer. His many losses, especially by way of knockout, puts the lie to the claim that he was a slickster in the positive sense.

Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey are a bit overrated given how many people rank them so highly. Joe Louis was a great fighter for his era and division, but there were serious flaws in his style and constitution that in other eras would have made him a top contender but not a champion (Marciano and Walcott would never have been contenders in the most competitive eras). Dempsey is important because of what he brought to the heavyweight division. He was a pioneer, so I hestitate to knock him too much.

 

Too bad you cannot handle a differing opinion then your own without turning this into some dilusional thing about **** and daddys. This is a boxing message board where we give opinions, and mine is that Duran was overrated a bit. I still think he was a great fighter and had longevity and multititles in higher weights (like many other ATG have done), but to say he was top 5 ATG is ridiculous. We all have our heroes in boxing and I respect that. But my boxing opinion is I think Duran was overrated and Hearns underrated. The fact that I am not the only one on the board to say Duran was overrated means this is a general idea of some boxing fans and not just exclusive to me. Check out the other posts which mentioned Duran being overrated. Fact is Duran never knocked out an ATG fighter. Hearns did. Hagler did. Leonard did. I think that is significant when rating how great a fighter is. But I still think he is great, but top 25 ATG instead of top 5. That isn't too bad.

 

That's right.

So you just choose to of your own free will?

Of course it would, because I don't lie on this board.

I haven't done anything; the FACTS did it all for me.

That's because you're a fool.

Or the other man is lying.

The offer was made BEFORE the press conference incident. :nut

 

I don't think Duran facing Hagler meant much if he still lost, and then he lost to Hearns by second round knockout 7 months later in a fight which was at the weight he won his last title at the time. Spinks was 6-2 1/2 and Hagler 5-9 1/2.. 5 inches and Marvin never weighed in at 175. I agree he should have taken him on since Marvin always wanted to fight Duran and Hearns and Leonard when they moved up.
How would Hagler have done against Spinks and Foster? Hagler had a great chin against middleweights, but against Spinks and Foster I think that is where his chin would not have been as dependable. I doubt he would have taken a Spinks Jinx and just shaken it off at 175. And Foster left hook would have hurt him probably.
But Duran and Hagler were only 2 inches from each other in height. They did a coke commercial and that is when Duran's handlers and others noticed that Duran and Hagler were near the same size.
Leonard was not prime against Duran. That is the thing Duran fans like to say. Leonard just won his title months before against Benitez in a tough fight. Ray did not know the whole game yet,and the fact he fought Duran's fight was proof he still could be suckered into fighting someone elses fight. Later after that fight, he learned to do his own games and won the rematch easily. Duran taught him to know the whole game inside and out. I think Duran is great, but like I said earlier top 25 and not top 5. Simply his lack of wins against ATG fighters make him rated top 5 ever too high.

 

Yeah sure it was. And maybe you're 12 years old :nut

I dont believe all these unsubstantiated rumours passed on by desperate esbers like youreslf nor do I appreciate the spreading of lies. Probably the same group of people spreading rumours that hagler, not leonard, actually turned down the rematch.

Which we all know is a lie also since all of 1987 went by with no peep from leonard and his people. and same thing in 1988 when Hagler finally gave up and retired.

I think a year and a half is enough time to think over a big money offer. but no amount of money could convince a reluctant fighter like Leonard to take a fight he doesnt want. instead we got Leonard-Lalonde, which is perfectly all right with his fans-the same fans who were so impressed with his win over Price despite all his recent losses leading up to the fight (not counting his 2 win winstreak)


lalonde-Leonard and SRL-Kevin Howard came off without a hitch but getting the matches people want; Pryor-RL, Hagler-RL,, never seem to get made.

Same deal with RL-Nunn who Natonic seems to think RL would have knocked his block off. With a target that inviting you'd think Ray would have gone for it. Probably Mike's fault for looking to sharp for the kalambay fight. Mike shouldve realized he had to look more like Hearns in the Kinchen fight

At least we got Norris-rl out of him

 

I was actually more impressed with Duran's win over Leonard than I was with Ray's win over Duran

Here we have a 29 year old fighter moving up two weight classes and belting a guy 24 years old and at his peak

whereas Ray beating a 29 year old lightweight dropping 40 pounds on top of that, it's still an impressive win considering Duran's record.

but have Duran switch places. You think a 24 year old Duran is not going to be able to handle some 29 year old coming up two weight classes?

 

The more MY 2 Cents , slips your sloppy punches and jabs the **** out of you ,the more irrational your argument gets , just accept he has outclassed you here.

 

Ray was peak? That right there is not a fact. Ray just turned 24 and he was a new champion who had gone 15 rounds only once in a grueling 15 rounds with Benitez. Ray beating Duran in the rematch was a better win to me because he came in ready at the best he could be and fought his fight and won easily. Duran dropping 40 pounds is the same excuse he used for Benitez and Hearns and Leonard. So he always lost more weight when he fought the ATG fighters? That is why Duran I think is overrated, because he gets considerations and overrating for a good win, but that one win does not make him top 5 ever or then you would have to make Ray number one ATG ever, and he didn't stop Ray, and then Ray beat him in the rematch, made him quit.

 

You acknowledged yourself that Leonard made that offer to him. Now suddenly it's just a "rumor"? :nut

So why do you keep lying about Lalonde's pre-Leonard paydays? :nut

That's because Lalonde and Howard took the fights, and Pryor didn't. Not a difficult concept to understand.