Top 5 most skilled and talented over the last 30 years

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    I wasn't arguing for Toney's inclusion. :)

    And no mention of McCallum anywhere?!?!?!
     
    Russell, Apr 3, 2008
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  2. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    I know you weren't. Thought I'd mention him since you did in a previous messages. McCallum would more than likely be around the bottom half of the top 10. I went for a top 5 as it's quicker and easier to do rather than a longer list. Whats you're top picks?
     
    Robbi, Apr 3, 2008
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  3. Action

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    1. Roy Jones Jr.
    2. Pernell Whitaker
    3. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    4. Sugar Ray Leonard
    5(a). Hector Camacho
    5(b). Marvin Hagler
     
    Action, Apr 3, 2008
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  4. Ezzard

    Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Duran doesn't count... then...

    1) Leonard
    2) Whittaker
    3) Hagler
    4) Holmes
    5) Arguello

    HM: Chavez, Spinks, Hearns, Holyfield, Jones, McCallum, Pedroza, Gomez, Nelson, DLH, Fenech, Toney, Nunn, Benitez
     
    Ezzard, Apr 4, 2008
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  5. godking

    godking Active Member Full Member

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    Where is Holmes ?
     
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  6. peter5

    peter5 Marco.A.Barrera Full Member

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    What about Ricardo Lopez?
     
    peter5, Apr 4, 2008
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  7. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Leonard
    M.Spinks
    Howard Davis Jr.
    Pernell Whitaker
    Donald Curry.
     
    Titan1, Apr 25, 2008
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  8. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    It's plain to see where I have Holmes, outside my top 5. With so many skilled fighters over the last 30 years it was always going to be tough placing my top 5, not just picking them.
     
    Robbi, Apr 25, 2008
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  9. JohnThomas1

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    Leonard
    Jones
    Whitaker
    Hopkins
    Chavez
     
    JohnThomas1, Apr 25, 2008
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  10. Ezzard

    Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How exactly do we define talent?
     
    Ezzard, Apr 25, 2008
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  11. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    All opinions, but Chavez over Mayweather? That surprised me.
     
    Robbi, Apr 25, 2008
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  12. Sonny's jab

    Sonny's jab Guest

    I've always wondered the same thing.

    Speed, strength, chin are talent, things you just naturally have.

    Some people talk about talent they mean ability. Ability is often a natural aptitude, so that's talent too.

    But it's not easy to say how much ability is developed rather than just natural talent. Same with strength, which is often built. I guess freakish speed is most obvious talent. And freakish punch resistance is largely a god-given "gift" too.

    Then there's wisdom, guile, nous, "ring generalship", cleverness, what is sometimes called "skill" (rather than "skills", it's more than the sum of all skills), and we can view that as INSTINCT - and that's a big part in looking good. Talent without instinct is useless.

    It confuses the **** out of me but everyone else seems to throw around "talent" and understand what each other is saying ! :lol:
     
    Sonny's jab, Apr 25, 2008
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  13. JohnThomas1

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    You might have a point. As per the post by Sonny above me i find the criteria a bit vague. I mean do we call RJJ and Ali unbelievably "skilled" even tho their mechanics were unorthodox? Is skilled the ability to hit and not get hit, orthodoxy, effectiveness etc? With Chavez over Mayweather at this stage i must admit i was thinking more "effectiveness" bearing in mind Chavez IMO is a little more proven historically at this point.
     
    JohnThomas1, Apr 25, 2008
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  14. mightyd40

    mightyd40 Spartan Full Member

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    tyson (controversial pick but i do believe talent wise he could have and should have been so much more)
    jones
    whitaker
    leonard
    ahhhh let me think about the last one
     
    mightyd40, Apr 25, 2008
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  15. Tyson19861990

    Tyson19861990 New Member Full Member

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    this is tough but here we go not in order
    1. Hagler
    2. Tyson
    3. Hearns
    4. Whittaker
    5. Mayweather

    you could deff throw in leonard, duran, jones, jcc, without a doubt
     
    Tyson19861990, Apr 25, 2008
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