Top 5 p4p hardest punchers of all time?

My initial statement was:

"There's nothing on video (emphasis added) to support that."

in response to your statement:

"...but he probably exceeded both of them [Tyson and Louis] in terms of power in a single punch."

There might be tons of impressive KOs that no one knows about, but unless they surface any comment on his one punch power is only so much hot air and wish fulfilment.

Tyson on the other hand you can actually make a solid case for.

I'll actually agree with you there, or at least agree that there's a much better argument to be had. Saying that, fighters like Ezra Sellers and Dmitri Kudryashov are considerably hard hitters in that particular weight bracket as well. Sellers is, in fact, massively underrated as a puncher and probably deserves some consideration.

 

If that's the tired and shifty bedrock your debate rests on then jog on.

 

I should have put Tua. He slept people like nobody I have ever seen.

If he knocked you out, you went into another dimension.

 

No mas accepted Roberto.

 

There are plenty of footage of Shavers's power. Though they weren't one punch KO's, the punches he landed on for example Ali and Holmes definitely backs up what's said of his power imo.

 

Well not really, since Tyson achieved the same and better against Holmes in addition to all his other verified one punch knockouts and knockdowns. You can point to Holmes's age here but then I'd just mention Ali's when he fought Shavers. It's a no win argument.

So like I said above, there's nothing on video to support the statement that Shavers had bigger one punch power than Tyson (I refrain from commenting on Louis).

 

To me it seems like Shavers affected a younger Holmes more with single punches than Tyson did to the older, rusty version (even though Tyson of course had the better follow up).

Holmes agrees.

 

Other boxers not mentioned who should be under consideration.
Rodrigo Valdez the only boxer to ko Benny Briscoe.
Danny Nardico the only boxer to floor Jake La Motta.

 

The facts are that both men dropped Holmes with an overhand right, the only men to my knowledge to do so. Tyson then finished the job while Shavers let Holmes back into the fight. On that basis they both punched equally hard, with Tyson's finishing abilities being the deciding factor in the outcome of the fight. That's the most that can be argued in favour of Shavers.

Your somewhat wooly statement that Shavers seemed to affect Holmes more with single punches can't really be substantiated, since prior to the big right hand Tyson hadn't been able to land anything of significance on Holmes, who was effectively smothering and deflecting the worst of Tyson's incoming fire. Literally the first time Tyson lands a clean right hand on Holmes he drops him. Shortly afterwards, of course, he stops him.

Shavers in contrast catches Holmes with several follow up shots after the knockdown, and while they obviously have an effect they don't result in Holmes hitting the canvas a second time. So, regardless of what Holmes has to say on the matter, it's clear that he was being affected by Tyson's shots a lot worse than he makes out. In fact he's so discombobulated by the initial knockdown that he goes down from a glancing blow a few seconds later, which he doesn't do in the Shavers fight.

Regarding issues of ring rust and age, it seems to me like Frazier affected a younger Ali more with single punches than Shavers did to the older, completely shot version, so on that basis you must agree that Frazier was in fact the harder puncher of the two, correct?

 

My "somewhat wolly statement that Shavers affected Holmes more with a single punch" is substantiated by friggin Holmes himself. You know, the guy who took the punches. That's enough for me.

The film we have shows that single punches from Shavers had a brutal impact on even extremely durable opponents. Those same men and others have then gone on record to say that he did indeed hit them the hardest. That satisfies me sufficiently. And we're just going in circles now, so I'll stop at that. What my eyes tell me is unaminously corrobarated by the ones who received the punches in question. That's end of, at least for me. Over and out.

 

If that's enough for you then it's enough for you. It makes for a p!ss poor argument however.

The film we have shows that Tyson had an ever more brutal impact on extremely durable opponents, and he ended up knocking a lot of them da fuq out. That in turn satisfies me sufficiently. Nice debating with you.